Vad satt den här elvish texten från UC Irvine?

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UC Irvine har ett område där alla byggnader är uppkallade efter Middle Earth stuff (squeee!)
Dessa byggnader har vackra tegelskyltar, varav några har ett elviskt manus runt kanterna. Så långt jag kunde säga, sa de alla samma sak:

Vad betyder det?

    
uppsättning Mary ML 31.07.2015 04:22

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Det verkar vara gibberish, tyvärr. närmaste jag kunde få till tecknen i bilden är följande:

Börja i övre vänstra hörnet och arbeta runt medurs medurs, det läser något som:

"An e echravlye avelan rav erash e h l e e an".

Det här är inte meningslöst på något språk jag känner till.

Uppdatering: Jag frågade mig om och någon kunde översätta det!

En OneRing.net-användare som heter Maghradaid svarade på min fråga . Jag kommer att citera detta svar i sin helhet:

It's an unusual mode of writing but is definitely an attempt at saying Nai hiruvalye Valimar around the top, and Nai elye hiruva around the bottom. In this case, vowel tehtar are placed above the preceding tengwa. The vowel markings for E and I are switched, as are O and U: these have happened (e.g. in CT's English transliterations, and the Black Speech ring-verse), but not so often for Quenya (one example of O/U is DTS56). The separation of the diphthong AI like that (and not written over yanta) into A over the preceding and I on a short carrier is attested in some of Tolkien's examples. The U is missing in hiruvalye, and they decided to use kh- for the hir- parts. Indeed, harma would have originally been used, but later on it was renamed aha because kh- had become h- initially, and hy- (hyarmen) started to be used for initial h-.

So there's a rationale for each of the unexpected parts, save the missing U, and -lye. Tolkien sometimes represented consonants like ly, ny, etc. in Quenya without using the two dots to represent following y, and instead used L and a Y-tengwa afterward. However, the L had a dot underneath to indicate no following vowel, and the vowel after -y was then placed above it (DTS72, which has separation of nai as I mentioned). However, that uses anna, not yanta, and there's no underdot. Another way is found in DTS73, but while that does show -y represented with yanta and no underdot, the vowel after it is still placed above yanta: and nai is then written with A over N and a following yanta, not like here (or DTS72). There's also the matter of whether rómen would be used for final R in Quenya.

So we can tell what it's intended to say, though I'm somewhat surprised at how it's written, given our attested examples.

Edit: You're right, they do have N in Valimar, which is a mistake that can't be explained away.

Så det finns två fraser här, även om de skrivs på ett ovanligt sätt och det finns minst ett fel. Fraserna är:

Nai hiruvalye Valimar

"Maybe thou shalt find Valimar"

och

Nai elye hiruva

"Maybe even thou shalt find it"

Tengwar transcriber gör meningen så här:

TacktillJunuxxförförbättradrendering

DettaärettcitatfrånettelvisisktdiktsomfinnsiRingenesHerre,kändsomNamáriëeller"Galadriels klagomål". Namárië är den längsta Quenya -texten i Ringenes Herre . Här är den fullständiga behandlingen:

Ai! laurië lantar lassi súrinen,
yéni únótimë ve rámar aldaron!
Yéni ve lintë yuldar avánier
mi oromardi lisse-miruvóreva
Andúnë pella, Vardo tellumar
nu luini yassen tintilar i eleni
ómaryo airetári-lírinen.

Sí man i yulma nin enquantuva?

An sí Tintallë Varda Oiolossëo
ve fanyar máryat Elentári ortanë,
ar ilyë tier undulávë lumbulë;
ar sindanóriello caita mornië
i falmalinnar imbë met, ar hísië
untúpa Calaciryo míri oialë.
Sí vanwa ná, Rómello vanwa, Valimar!

Namárië! Nai hiruvalyë Valimar.
Nai elyë hiruva. Namárië!
- The Fellowship of the Ring, Book II, Chapter 20: Farewell to Lórien

Som översätter till engelska på så sätt:

Ah! like gold fall the leaves in the wind,
long years numberless as the wings of trees!
The years have passed like swift draughts
of the sweet mead in lofty halls beyond the West,
beneath the blue vaults of Varda
wherein the stars tremble in the song of her voice, holy and queenly.

Who now shall refill the cup for me?

For now the Kindler, Varda, the Queen of the Stars,
from Mount Everwhite has uplifted her hands like clouds,
and all paths are drowned deep in shadow;
and out of a grey country darkness lies on the foaming waves between us,
and mist covers the jewels of Calacirya for ever.
Now lost, lost to those from the East is Valimar!

Farewell! Maybe thou shalt find Valimar.
Maybe even thou shalt find it. Farewell!

Uppdatering:

Ny kommentar på tråden:

You're welcome. I'm embarrassed to say that I missed another error:

Instead of switching E and I as I had claimed, instead E and I are represented by the same sign. I had seen all the I's unexpectedly having the slash tehta, but failed to notice that the E's used it as well. I'm so used to seeing it for E that I slipped up and didn't notice anything abnormal when it is actually used for E in that sign, though I had established that it was being used for I.

This is what the characters look like in that sign:

Ytterligareläsning:

En extremt detaljerad analys av bokstavligen varje ord i Namárië

    
svaret ges 01.08.2015 19:56