Are älvar i Middle Earth dödlig eller odödlig?

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I Ringenes Herre , tre tusen år före berättelsen, ses Elrond kämpar i kriget mot Sauron. Men efter tre tusen år ses han fortfarande ung. Så jag gissar att alvor är odödliga.

Men i striden om Helm's Deep dör många elvar som kämpar mot Sarumans armé. Så de kan inte vara odödliga.

Så är de dödliga eller odödliga? Hur kan Elronds åldrande förklaras?

    
uppsättning Nazgul 28.12.2018 13:11

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De kan inte dö av ålder, men de kan dö av svärdet eller sorgen.

Enligt Tolkien, när en Elf blir en vuxen, slutar de bli äldre. De är också mindre utsatta mot fysisk skada, men de är inte odödliga. Elvernas liv uthåller sig bara när världen håller på att gälla.

Elvar kan dödas eller dö av sorg (deras ande lämnar sin kropp), men de är inte utsatta för ålder eller sjukdom. När en Elf dör, går hans ande till Mandos för sin dom, och efter en väntetid kan han återkomma.

Enligt Wikipedia

Elves are naturally immortal, and remain unwearied with age. In addition to their immortality, Elves can recover from wounds which would normally kill a mortal Man. However, Elves can be slain, or die of grief and weariness.

Spirits of dead Elves go to the Halls of Mandos in Valinor. After a certain period of time and rest that serves as "cleansing", their spirits are clothed in bodies identical to their old ones. However, they almost never go back to Middle-earth and remain in Valinor instead. An exception was Glorfindel in The Lord of the Rings; as shown in later books, Tolkien decided he was a "reborn" hero from The Silmarillion rather than an individual with the same name. A rare and more unusual example of an Elf coming back from the Halls of Mandos is found in the tale of Beren and Lúthien, as Lúthien was the other Elf to be sent back to Middle-earth – as a mortal, however. Tolkien's Elvish words for "spirit" and "body" were fëa (plural fëar) and hröa (plural hröar) respectively.

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While the three cycles are not specifically defined, the first cycle is likely childhood and adolescence, which ended at the 100th year, the second is adulthood which could continue for Ages, and the third is for extremely old Elves; Elves did not physically age after they reached maturity, but they did age in a different sense than Men. They became ever more weary of the world and burdened by its sorrows. Elves are naturally immortal; like the Ainur, they are bound to Arda until its End. Elves are immune to all diseases, and they can recover from wounds which would normally kill a mortal Man.

De enda "odödliga varelserna" i LOTR är soldaterna för The Dead of the Dead. Dödsarmén förbjöds av Isildur med odödlighet i form av en existens som odöda skelett efter att de övergav sin ed i Kriget om den sista alliansen. Deras enda chans att dö var att uppfylla sin eder .

    
svaret ges 28.12.2018 13:26
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Ja, de är odödliga tills de dödats:

As told in The History of Middle-earth and in Tolkien's Letters, Elves had a different life cycle from Men. Most of the following information strictly refers only to the Eldar, as found in his essay Laws and Customs among the Eldar, found in Morgoth's Ring.

Elves are born about one year from their conception. The day of their conception is celebrated, not the actual birthday itself. Their minds develop more quickly than their bodies; by their first year, they can speak, walk and even dance, and their quicker onset of mental maturity makes young Elves seem, to Men, older than they really are. Physical puberty comes in around their fiftieth to one hundredth year (by age fifty they reach their adult height), and by their first hundred years of life outside the womb all Elves are fully grown. Elven bodies eventually stop aging physically, while human bodies do not

Elves are naturally immortal, and remain unwearied with age. In addition to their immortality, Elves can recover from wounds which would normally kill a mortal Man. However, Elves can be slain, or die of grief and weariness. - wikipedia

    
svaret ges 28.12.2018 13:19