Did medborgarna i Middle Earth känner till Beleriand i tredje åldern?

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Kände medborgarna i Medelhavet kunskap om de gamla land som sänktes väster om Blåbergen, eller var det bara inte allmänt känt?

Till exempel: Om en chans skulle hända att någon tog upp Beleriand, skulle folk veta det?

    
uppsättning Fingolfin 15.10.2015 09:09

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Vissa gjorde.

Älvor

Elrond mindes thangorodrims strider i slutet av den första åldern som ledde till förstörelsen av Beleriand.

Thereupon Elrond paused a while and sighed. ‘I remember well the splendour of their banners,’ he said. ‘It recalled to me the glory of the Elder Days and the hosts of Beleriand, so many great princes and captains were assembled. And yet not so many, nor so fair, as when Thangorodrim was broken , and the Elves deemed that evil was ended for ever, and it was not so.’ ‘You remember?’ said Frodo, speaking his thought aloud in his astonishment. ‘But I thought,’ he stammered as Elrond turned towards him, ‘I thought that the fall of Gil-galad was a long age ago.’ ‘So it was indeed,’ answered Elrond gravely. ‘But my memory reaches back even to the Elder Days. Eärendil was my sire, who was born in Gondolin before its fall; and my mother was Elwing, daughter of Dior, son of Lúthien of Doriath. I have seen three ages in the West of the world, and many defeats, and many fruitless victories.

Det finns äldre älvor än Elrond i mellersta jorden (Cirdan, Galadriel och Celeborn till exempel)

Hober

I den fiktiva historien är Bilbo författare till Silmarillion. Detta berättar historien om Beleriand så att han måste veta.

Han sjunger av Avernien (Belizeands kust) före Elrondrådet.

Eärendil was a mariner that tarried in Arvernien; he built a boat of timber felled in Nimbrethil to journey in; her sails he wove of silver fair, of silver were her lanterns made, her prow he fashioned like a swan, and light upon her banners laid.

Det verkar som om han också har gått vidare med Frodo, eftersom han är medveten om svärdsstingets historia

‘That would not help us now,’ said Frodo. ‘Come! Let us see what Sting can do. It is an elven-blade. There were webs of horror in the dark ravines of Beleriand where it was forged. But you must be the guard and hold back the eyes. Here, take the star-glass. Do not be afraid. Hold it up and watch!’

Män

Aragorn är härstammad från Luthien och känner läran, han kommer att ha lärt det från Elrond, han vet säkert om Dorthonion som var omedelbart norr om Berleriand.

Barrowdowns historia diskuteras i bilagorna till Ringenes Herre, det verkar som om Dönedain behöll Beleriands historia vid liv.

‘It is said that the mounds of Tyrn Gorthad, as the Barrow-downs were called of old, are very ancient, and that many were built in the days of the old world of the First Age by the forefathers of the Edain, before they crossed the Blue Mountains into Beleriand, of which Lindon is all that now remains.

Tom Bombadil

Tom Bombadil berättar världens hobbits när den var yngre.

When they caught his words again they found that he had now wandered into strange regions beyond their memory and beyond their waking thought, into times when the world was wider, and the seas flowed straight to the western Shore; and still on and back Tom went singing out into ancient starlight, when only the Elf-sires were awake.

Lavskägge

Treebeard sjunger i Belariand

In the willow-meads of Tasarinan I walked in the Spring. Ah! the sight and the smell of the Spring in Nan-tasarion! And I said that was good. I wandered in Summer in the elm-woods of Ossiriand. Ah! the light and the music in the Summer by the Seven Rivers of Ossir! And I thought that was best. To the beeches of Neldoreth I came in the Autumn. Ah! the gold and the red and the sighing of leaves in the Autumn in Taur-na-neldor! It was more than my desire. To the pine-trees upon the highland of Dorthonion I climbed in the Winter. Ah! the wind and the whiteness and the black branches of Winter upon Orod-na-Thôn! My voice went up and sang in the sky. And now all those lands lie under the wave, And I walk in Ambaróna, in Tauremorna, in Aldalómë, In my own land, in the country of Fangorn, Where the roots are long, And the years lie thicker than the leaves In Tauremornalómë.

Maia

Tack vare en utmärkt kommentar hade de olika Maiar som fortfarande var runt Mellanöstern i tredje ålder haft kunskap om eller till och med direkt erfarenhet av Beleriand.

Sauron och Balrog var omkring i tredje ålderen, Gandalf och Saruman och den andra Istari skulle ha fått lore från olika källor, även om de aldrig personligen besökte det i sina tidigare former.

Trees

Gammal man pil och hans släkting där gamla, de verkar ha minne om dessa dagar.

It was not called the Old Forest without reason, for it was indeed ancient, a survivor of vast forgotten woods; and in it there lived yet, ageing no quicker than the hills, the fathers of the fathers of trees, remembering times when they were lords. The countless years had filled them with pride and rooted wisdom, and with malice. But none were more dangerous than the Great Willow:

dvärgar

Dvärgarna verkar ha dikter och sånger som relaterar den första åldern, så vissa hade tydligt kunskap om Beleriand. Faktum är att Gimli talar om detta i kammaren i Mazarbul.

The world was fair, the mountains tall, In Elder Days before the fall Of mighty kings in Nargothrond And Gondolin , who now beyond The Western Seas have passed away: The world was fair in Durin’s Day.

    
svaret ges 15.10.2015 10:45