Ar några Ainur beskrivna som bröder eller systrar?

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Jag hörde en rykt om att några av Ainur (Valar och Maiar) beskrivs som bröder eller systrar. Var i Tolkiens skrifter eller bokstäver händer det? Vad betyder det?

Se även Var alla Ainur gjorda vid början? som frågar om några Ainur är barn till andra Ainur.

    
uppsättning b_jonas 21.12.2015 01:41

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Det finns många exempel på att några av Ainur kallas bröder och systrar

Från den publicerade Silmarilion :

But Manwë was the brother of Melkor in the mind of Ilúvatar, and he was the chief instrument of the second theme that Ilúvatar had raised up against the discord of Melkor; and he called unto himself many spirits both greater and less, and they came down into the fields of Arda and aided Manwë, lest Melkor should hinder the fulfilment of their labour for ever, and Earth should wither ere it flowered. (AINULINDALË)


Mightier than Estë is Nienna, sister of the Fëanturi; she dwells alone. (VALAQUENTA)


His spouse is Nessa, the sister of Oromë, and she also is lithe and fleetfooted. (VALAQUENTA)


The spouse of Oromë is Vána, the Ever-young; she is the younger sister of Yavanna. (VALAQUENTA)


And it is sung that in that feast of the Spring of Arda Tulkas espoused Nessa the sister of Oromë, and she danced before the Valar upon the green grass of Almaren. (VALAQUENTA)

    
svaret ges 21.12.2015 02:17
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Alla skapades av Ilúvatar, som ansåg några av dem syskon.

Enligt Tolkien Gateway :

The Ainur were the "offspring of Ilúvatar's thought", and each was given understanding only of that part of the mind of Ilúvatar from which they came. The exception to this was Melkor, the greatest of the Ainur, who had a part of the gifts of all the others.

Although all Ainur are made of the thought of Ilúvatar, in His mind some were siblings.

I Silmarillion , "Ainulindalë: Ainurens musik", har vi följande citat för att backa upp det här (betonar min):

But Manwë was the brother of Melkor in the mind of Ilúvatar, and he was the chief instrument of the second Theme that Ilúvatar had raised up against the discord of Melkor; and he called unto himself many spirits both greater and less, and they came down into the fields of Arda and aided Manwë, lest Melkor should hinder the fulfilment of their labour for ever, and Earth should wither ere it flowered.

Tolkien förklarar detta vidare i en av hans bokstäver ( Tolkiens brev , Letter 211; emphasis min):

In the cosmogonic myth Manwë is said to be 'brother' of Melkor, that is they were coëval and equipotent in the mind of the Creator.

Intressant nog var några referenser till syskon redigerade från Ainulindalë. Den ursprungliga texten läste (betonar min):

And Manwë and Ulmo and Aulë were as Kings; but Varda was the Queen of the Valar, and the spouse of Manwë, and her beauty was high and terrible and of great reverence. Yavanna was her sister, and Yavanna espoused Aulë; but Nienna dwells alone, even as does Ulmo. And these with Melkor are the Seven Great Ones of the Kingdom of Arda.

men detta redigerades av Christopher Tolkien eftersom i a Senare redogörelse för Valaquenta Yavanna var inte Vardas syster, och uppfattningen om de sju stora onen ändrades. Den publicerade versionen säger att bland Valar:

Nine were of chief power and reverence; but one is removed from their number, and Eight remain, the Aratar, the High Ones of Arda: Manwë and Varda, Ulmo, Yavanna and Aulë, Mandos, Nienna, and Oromë.

    
svaret ges 21.12.2015 02:13