Varför användes inte husälvar i kriget mot Voldemort?

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House elves verkar vara oerhört kraftfulla, om de gör det för sina mästare.

Till exempel i Harry Potter och Dödshallarna har Kreacher berättat om sina erfarenheter i havgrottan: all tonvikt läggs till

‘How did you get away?’ Harry asked, and he was not surprised to hear himself whispering.

Kreacher raised his ugly head and looked at Harry with his great, bloodshot eyes. ‘Master Regulus told Kreacher to come back,’ he said.

‘I know – but how did you escape the Inferi?’

Kreacher did not seem to understand. ‘Master Regulus told Kreacher to come back,’ he repeated.

‘I know, but –’

‘Well, it’s obvious, isn’t it, Harry?’ said Ron. ‘He Disapparated!’

‘But ... you couldn’t Apparate in and out of that cave,’ said Harry, ‘otherwise Dumbledore –’

‘Elf magic isn’t like wizard’s magic, is it?’ said Ron. ‘I mean, they can Apparate and Disapparate in and out of Hogwarts when we can’t.’

För mig tycks detta ange att deras mästers ordning är större för husälvar än några avdelningar som är inställda för att förhindra försvinnande, så att de kan "göra det omöjliga". (Jag tror inte att grottan bara upphörde trollkarlarna att misslyckas och förbises husälvar, annars skulle Kreacher helt enkelt ha försvunnit utan Regulus Blacks ordning så att han kunde fortsätta betjäna sin herre).

House elves kan också utföra trolllös magi mot trollkarlar som befinner sig i maktposition, som i detta citat (från kapitel 23 i Dödliga Hallows) om Dobby som avväpnar Narcissa Malfoy på Malfoy Mansion:

As Narcissa dragged Draco out of the way of further harm, Bellatrix sprang to her feet, her hair flying as she brandished the silver knife; but Narcissa had directed her wand at the doorway.

“Dobby!” she screamed and even Bellatrix froze. “You! You dropped the chandelier—?”

The tiny elf trotted into the room, his shaking finger pointing at his old mistress.

“You must not hurt Harry Potter,” he squeaked.

“Kill him, Cissy!” shrieked Bellatrix, but there was another loud crack, and Narcissa’s wand too flew into the air and landed on the other side of the room.

“You dirty little monkey!” bawled Bellatrix. “How dare you take a witch’s wand, how dare you defy your masters?”

“Dobby has no master!” squealed the elf. “Dobby is a free elf, and Dobby has come to save Harry Potter and his friends!”

Det verkar som om de här är väldigt kraftfulla varelser som kommer att försvara sina mästare.

Varför kunde inte ett hus elva få en order som liknar följande:

Dobby, Voldemort is trying to kill Harry Potter and has already attempted to do so several times.

We must not let this happen.

Find Mundungus, disarm him, get the horcrux from him and destroy it (using the sword of Griffindor if necessary), then deliver Mundungus to Dumbledore for punishment.

Destroy Nagini without being caught, seen or hurt in any way.

Find the remaining horcruxes and destroy them using any manner required, while minimising damage to surroundings as much as possible.

If any horcruxes are in people, find a way to destroy the horcrux without causing the person any long-term damage.

Kill Voldemort and his willing Death Eaters, and disarm and capture the unwilling Death Eaters.

Do not get hurt in any way, do not get caught, do not get seen.

Var det gränser för husälvenes kraft som förhindrade en order som ovanstående används? Var det någonsin en situation där husälver inte kunde fullgöra en order?

Eller var det bara

uppsättning Mat Cauthon 01.12.2015 00:08

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Glöm inte att Kreacher misslyckades med att förstöra Slytherins locket Horcrux första gången.

'And he told Kreacher - to go home - and never to tell my mistress - what he had done - but to destroy - the first locket.'

[...]

'Nothing Kreacher did made any mark upon it,' moaned the elf. 'Kreacher tried everything, everything he knew, but nothing, nothing would work ... so many powerful spells upon the casing, Kreacher was sure the way to destroy it was to get inside it, but it would not open ... Kreacher punished himself, he tried again, he punished himself, he tried again. Kreacher failed to obey orders, Kreacher could not destroy the locket!'

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - pp.162 and 163 - Bloomsbury - Chapter 10, Kreacher's Tale

Han misslyckades också med att förhindra att den stulits av Mundungus Fletcher.

'Mundungus Flecher stole it all ... and the locket, Master Regulus's locket, Kreacher did wrong, Kreacher failed in his orders!'

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - p.158 - Bloomsbury - Chapter 10, Kreacher's Tale

Han kom ifrån den där grottan eftersom Voldemort förbise elf magi, inte för att de är minigudar. Jag tror att Kreacher's Tale är en vacker allegori, med den lägsta dregs av den magiska världen som medför odödande av en oerhört kraftfull, fördomad, supremacistisk dum som ignorerade dem. Men du blir buren bort.

"Husets elf högsta lag är hans mästers bud", "men det ger dem inte några befogenheter som de inte redan har. Jag tänker på det som Felix Felicis.

'I think I'm going to take another swig of Felix,' said Harry, 'and have a go at the Room of Requirement again.'

'That would be a complete waste of potion,' said Hermione flatly, putting down the copy of Spellman's Syllabary she had just taken out of her back. 'Luck can only get you so far, Harry. The situation with Slughorn was different; you always had the ability to persuade him, you just needed to tweak the circumstances a bit. Luck isn't enough to get you through a powerful enchantment, though.'

Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - p.484 - Bloomsbury - Chapter 24, Sectumsempra

Och i slutet av dagen är House-Elfs små, inte fysiskt formidabla, inte utbildade i magi, ej tillåtet att använda trollkarlar och inte exakt iboende så kraftfulla. Bara för att reglerna för House-Elf Apparition är lite annorlunda än de som styr trollkarlen. Det betyder inte att de kan göra någonting.

    
svaret ges 01.12.2015 01:29
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Liten korrigering avseende grottan.

“Elf magic isn’t like wizard’s magic, is it?” said Ron, “I mean, they can Apparate and Disapparate in and out of Hogwarts when we can’t.”

There was a silence as Harry digested this. How could Voldemort have made such a mistake? But even as he thought this, Hermione spoke, and her voice was icy.

“Of course, Voldemort would have considered the ways of house-elves far beneath his notice. It would never have occurred to him that they might have magic that he didn’t.”

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Chapter 10, Kreacher's Tale

Kreacher lämnade inte tidigare eftersom hans herre (Regulus) inte hade bett honom att komma tillbaka. Han kom tillbaka när hans herre kallade honom tillbaka.

Hitta Mundungus, avväpna honom, få horcruxen från honom och förstör det (med Griffindors svärd om det behövs), leverera sedan Mundungus till Dumbledore för straff.

Harry hade bett Kreacher att göra något liknande.

“Kreacher, I want you, please, to go and find Mundungus Fletcher. We need to find out where the locket—where Master Regulus’s locket it. It’s really important. We want to finish the work Master Regulus started, we want to ensure that he didn’t die in vain.”

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Chapter 10, Kreacher's Tale

Det var många anledningar till varför huselver inte användes i farliga uppdrag.

Att dela för mycket information med någon är ett problem.

Det är inte svårt för en kraftfull trollkarl att extrahera information från ett hus elf. Dumbledore kunde extrahera fullständig information från Kreacher.

“And Kreacher told you all this... and laughed?” he croaked.

“He did not wish to tell me,” said Dumbledore. “But I am a sufficiently accomplished Legilimens myself to know when I am being lied to and I - persuaded him - to tell me the full story, before I left for the Department of Mysteries.”

Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 37, The Lost Prophecy

Många trollkarlar ansåg hus-elfen att vara sämre än dem.

“But she was frightened!” Hermione burst out angrily, glaring at Mr. Crouch. “Your elf’s scared of heights, and those wizards in masks were levitating people! You can’t blame her for wanting to get out of their way!”

Mr. Crouch took a step backward, freeing himself from contact with the elf, whom he was surveying as though she were something filthy and rotten that was contaminating his over-shined shoes.

“I have no use for a house-elf who disobeys me,” he said coldly, looking over at Hermione. “I have no use for a servant who forgets what is due to her master, and to her master’s reputation.”

Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, Chapter 9, The Dark Mark

Statyn i magiministeriet förmedlade budskapet om hushållens underlägsenhet.

Halfway down the hall was a fountain. A group of golden statues, larger than life-size, stood in the middle of a circular pool. Tallest of them all was a noble-looking wizard with his wand pointing straight up in the air. Grouped around him were a beautiful witch, a centaur, a goblin and a house-elf. The last three were all looking adoringly up at the witch and wizard.

Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 7, The Ministry of Magic

Inte många trollkarlar hade en hus-elf

“Well, whoever owns him will be an old wizarding family, and they’ll be rich,” said Fred.

“Yeah, Mum’s always wishing we had a house-elf to do the ironing,” said George.

“But all we’ve got is a lousy old ghoul in the attic and gnomes all over the garden. House-elves come with big old manors and castles and places like that; you wouldn’t catch one in our house...”

Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, Chapter 3, The Burrow

Ron kunde inte ens känna igen en.

“So that’s a house-elf?” Ron muttered. “Weird things, aren’t they?”

Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, Chapter 8, The Quidditch World Cup

Huselverna betraktades i grund och botten som tjänare som utförde sysslor hemma.

“Yeah, Mum’s always wishing we had a house-elf to do the ironing,” said George.

Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, Chapter 3, The Burrow

Vissa trollkarlar tog synd på husälvar

Trollkarlar som Dumbledore, Mr. Weasley, Harry och Hermione behandlade husälvar vänligt och skulle inte ha övervägt att sätta huselven på skammen.

“Sirius did not hate Kreacher,” said Dumbledore. “He regarded him as a servant unworthy of much interest or notice. Indifference and neglect often do much more damage than outright dislike... the fountain we destroyed tonight told a lie. We wizards have mistreated and abused our fellows for too long, and we are now reaping our reward.”

Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 37, The Lost Prophecy

    
svaret ges 01.12.2015 01:11
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Husälven användes i striden av hogwarts. Det står i boken att medan Harry var "förmodligen" död ledde Kreacher husälvorna i strid och de höll knivar och använde magi mot dödsätarna. Det sade också att Kreacher sjöng "kamp för mästare, som är försvararen av husälven. Fight fight fight. '

    
svaret ges 29.06.2017 11:57
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Jag snubblat på detta samtidigt som jag åtnjutit några nyfikenheter om husälvar:

Kreacher leder husälven i den sista striden mot Voldemort så jag är inte säker på varför du skulle tänka annars.

    
svaret ges 25.05.2017 06:50

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