Vem kom att veta att Gollum en gång hade den One Ring?

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Relaterat: Sauron, Gollum och Ringen

Jag har alltid funnit det intressant att Gollum hade One Ring i ungefär femhundra år utan att Sauron sniffade ut det; Det verkar faktiskt att prata om One Ring var extremt minimal, något som bara några kan våga tala om bakom stängda dörrar i nattens död eller något.

När ringen gick vidare till Bilbo började andra att lära sig om Gollum och att han var ringbärare? (Jag inser Bilbo och Gandalf fick veta denna information). Visste hela Fellowship att Gollum hade varit en ringbärare, eller bara ett fåtal i gruppen? Kom någon utanför facket för att ta reda på det?

    
uppsättning Slytherincess 30.08.2014 18:46

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Visst Boromir, Legolas och Aragorn visste att Gollum var en ringbärare;

Know also, my friends, that I learned more yet from Gollum. He was loth to speak and his tale was unclear, but it is beyond all doubt that he went to Mordor, and there all that he knew was forced from him. Thus the Enemy knows now that the One is found, that it was long in the Shire; and since his servants have pursued it almost to our door, he soon will know, already he may know, even as I speak, that we have it here.'

All sat silent for a while, until at length Boromir spoke. "He is a small thing, you say, this Gollum? Small, but great in mischief. What became of him? To what doom did you put him?" "He is in prison, but no worse," said Aragorn. "He had suffered much. There is no doubt that he was tormented, and the fear of Sauron lies black on his heart. Still I for one am glad that he is safely kept by the watchful Elves of Mirkwood. His malice is great and gives him a strength hardly to be believed in one so lean and withered. He could work much mischief still, if he were free. And I do not doubt that he was allowed to leave Mordor on some evil errand." - LOTR : FOTR

Liksom Gloín (och eventuellt hans män också);

Glóin rose and bowed, and Legolas continued. 'In the days of fair weather we led Gollum through the woods; and there was a high tree standing alone far from the others which he liked to climb. Often we let him mount up to the highest branches, until he felt the free wind; but we set a guard at the tree's foot. LOTR : FOTR

Sam visste självklart;

“It doesn't sound as if he knew we were here, does it? ' whispered Sam. ”And what's his Precious? Does he mean the...'

“Hsh!' breathed Frodo. ”He's getting near now, near enough to hear a whisper." LOTR : TTT

Och Gimli, Glorfindel, Erestor, Erestor och Galdor (och alla andra som var på " Rådet av Elrond ":

He then pointed out and named those whom Frodo had not met before. There was a younger dwarf at Glóin's side: his son Gimli. Beside Glorfindel there were several other counsellors of Elrond's household, of whom Erestor was the chief; and with him was Galdor, an Elf from the Grey Havens who had come on an errand from Círdan the Shipwright. There was also a strange Elf clad in green and brown, Legolas, a messenger from his father, Thranduil, the King of the Elves of Northern Mirkwood. And seated a little apart was a tall man with a fair and noble face, dark-haired and grey-eyed, proud and stern of glance.

"Very well," said Bilbo. "I will do as you bid. But I will now tell the true story, and if some here have heard me tell it otherwise" – he looked sidelong at Glóin – 'I ask them to forget it and forgive me. I only wished to claim the treasure as my very own in those days, and to be rid of the name of thief that was put on me. But perhaps I understand things a little better now. Anyway, this is what happened.' To some there Bilbo's tale was wholly new, and they listened with amazement while the old hobbit, actually not at all displeased, recounted his adventure with Gollum, at full length. He did not omit a single riddle. LOTR : FOTR

och Faramir :

“He is lured here, you say? ' said Faramir in a low voice. ”Can he, does he then know of your burden? ' “Indeed yes. He bore it himself for many years.” 'He bore it? ' said Faramir, breathing sharply in his wonder. "This matter winds itself ever in new riddles. Then he is pursuing it? ' LOTR : TTT

Åh, och stor S visste;

Sauron released [Gollum] and sent him forth... He did not trust Gollum, for he divined something indomitable in him, which could not be overcome … except by destroying him. But Sauron perceived the depth of Gollum's malice towards those that had “robbed” him, and guessing that he would go in search of them…, Sauron hoped that his spies would thus be led to the Ring.

…Sauron had never paid heed to the “Halflings,” even if he had heard of them, and he did not yet know where their land lay. From Gollum, even under pain, he could not get any clear account, both because Gollum indeed had no certain knowledge himself, and because what be knew he falsified. Ultimately indomitable he was, except by death, as Sauron did not fully comprehend, being himself consumed by lust for the ring. … [Gollum] dared to pretend that he believed that the land the Halflings was near to the .places where he had once dwelt beside the banks of the Gladden. Unfinished Tales

    
svaret ges 30.08.2014 19:13
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För det fina laget:

En möjlig källa till det skulle vara Bilbo själv, som (IIRC från The Hobbit ) tyckte om att prata och publicera berättelsen om hans resa, inklusive hur han fick ringen (även om den då ingen visste om att det var "The One").

Därefter kom nyheten tillbaka till Gandalf. Efter det tror jag att det kan förväntas att när Gandalf levererade nyheten om ringarna till Elrond och Fellowship, lade han till lite information om hur den upptäcktes.

För det onda laget:

För detta skulle jag peka på två sätt (förmodligen både oberoende, eftersom endera parten inte vill ge den andra någon fördel):

  • Sauron informerades genom sin direkta länk till Ringen.

  • Saruman informerades av Gandalf, när han fortfarande litade på honom.

svaret ges 30.08.2014 19:49