Vilken är den ovannämnda guden i boken "American Gods"?

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I Neil Gaimans romangudar roman, är många av gudarna och andra mytologiska varelser kända från kulturer i verkligheten. Med de flesta av dessa är länken till verkligheten mycket tydlig (antingen genom namnet direkt eller egenskaper som enkelt kan "undersökas", men jag har problem med att identifiera vilken gud en viss karaktär representerar.

When Wednesday is recruiting the old gods for his purpose, he goes to Las Vegas and meets a god. People are unable to remember his face but there is a feeling of money about him. He can sense the flow of commerce. Wednesday bribes him with a bottle of Soma, to bring him to his side.

Vem är den gud? Har det någonsin uppenbarats?

    
uppsättning KenSuvy 11.09.2011 17:44

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Jo, det svaras aldrig direkt i boken, och Neil har adresserat det på hans Vanliga frågor . (Han blev tillfrågad och skulle svara och fick då begära att inte svara och gick med på.)

Who was the forgotten God?

Okay, so who is the God who everyone forgets after meeting him (or at least, who Shadow forgets)?

For the god whose name everyone forgets in American Gods, is there actually a name? If we search long and hard and scour books and web sites and whatnot, is it possible for us to come up with the right answer? Or will we just be searching in vain?

who's the forgotten God?

     

Jag planerade verkligen att svara på det, men då fick vi ....

     

Okay, so this isn't so much a question as a request for you to not answer a question that other people are probably going to ask.

Please don't reveal the identity of the god/folkloric entity that people always forget, without gigantic neon flashing spoiler signs.

I think I'm really close to identifying him; so I'm living with the daily terror, as I read the journal, of the cat being let out of the bag...

You're a nice author, so I'm sure you understand. Maybe a spoiler section could be set up separately if you do intend to answer this kind of thing? Thank-you!

     

Som jag tror, som hjärtliga anmärkningar går, är det ganska hjärtligt. Och effektivt.

Så, frånvarande en senare kommentar i ett sammanhang eller något, tror jag att några andra svar kommer att spekulera just nu, även om det är mycket logisk spekulation :) Du kan hitta minst en diskussion om det här

    
svaret ges 11.09.2011 19:00
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Jag såg på neilgaimanboard.com någon som föreslår följande:

The "forgettable god" should be Mercury.

More explicitly, the "forgettable god" should be a Hindu deity named Budha, the son of the moon god Soma and Tara, the wife of Brihaspati, or Jupiter. Budha is one of the navagraha (literal nine-planets), or planet-gods in Vedic astrology; to the ancient Roman, he is Mercury.

Much like the Roman Mercury, the Hindu Mercury is a god of two things: wealth and the mind.

He governs commerce, both tangible and intangible; he grants wealth on to his devotees; he removes obstacles in the way of success.

As the god of knowledge, it is Mercury's power to both grant and erase wisdom. The "greatest among the wise," he has the ability to remove thoughts from minds as well as grant inspiration.

The "forgotten god" is a dark-haired, dark-eyed, well-manicured man. Budha had dark hair and dark eyes, and was considered to be the most attractive of the navagraha.

Now is were we really get analytical:

The element mercury, also known as quicksilver, is the only metal that is liquid at room temperature. It is notoriously difficult to contain and is extremely quick to evaporate; the phrase "like trying to hold mercury" is a common euphemism for things which are either easily forgotten, or difficult to contain.

The "forgettable god"'s home is Las Vegas, which Gaiman goes out of his way to describe as a place where money evaporates or melts away, just like all knowledge of the "forgettable god."

If Mercury is both the incarnation of money and knowledge, and mercury is also impossible to contain or retain, you get ... knowledge and wealth that is impossible to contain or retain. The forgettable god.

More details:

The forgettable god wore what Gaiman referred to several times as a "charcoal suit." The only thing that can contain or absorb liquid mercury is charcoal, which is utilized in containers designed to control mercury spills.

Wednesday orders the forgotten god a Laphroaig and water while they're at the bar. Laphroaig is a single-malt Scotch whisky famous for its peaty aroma, the result of a distilling process that involves peat from the local peat bogs used to dry the malt. Mercury is a natural byproduct of peat.

Gaseous mercury is used to create neon lights, which Gaiman notes numerous times are the hallmark of Vegas.

While I've already noted it, I think it's important to restate that Mercury was the son of Soma.

Finally, the Hindu word for Wednesday is derived from Budha's (Mercury's) name, just as our word for Wednesday is derived from Odin's name. This may further explain why Neil made Budha the "forgotten god" - because the book already had a Wednesday. (It also explains Neil's use of the song titled Why Can't He Be You - think about it for a minute - during the scene in the bar when Wednesday and Mercury meet, and why Neil chose to describe the two in such similar terms during that scene.)

Jag tror att det här förslaget är närmast det jag har sett, så jag går med det.

Jag har funnit att personen som har sagt det ovan nämnda har också skrivit följande:

I'll add that, upon further consideration, I think that "the forgettable god" is supposed to be an embodied combination of all of the different Mercurys: the planet Mercury, the element Mercury, and the Hindi and Roman gods Mercury (who are virtually identical), with a strong leaning toward the Hindi Mercury (which is why Wednesday can bribe him with soma, and why he has dark hair and dark eyes).

The only Mercury that isn't consolidated into the forgettable god, though, is Wednesday. Odin is the Nordic equivalent of Mercury. (For more connections, as I noted, the Hindi word for Wednesday is derived from Budha's name; furthermore, the French word for Wednesday is Mercredi, which comes from the word ... well, I'm sure you can figure it out.)

Wednesday (Odin) is the only Mercury who isn't a god of commerce, which is I think the reason why he is separate from the other Mercury. He is, however, like all the other Mercurys a dispenser and dissolver of knowledge, and by the end of the book you realize that Wednesday is just as hidden and invisible as the forgotten god (both metaphorically, because his true motives are hidden and he's constantly conning people by hiding his true identity under a facade, and physically, because at the end he's just a disembodied voice).

One of the dead giveaways that the forgettable god is Mercury (other than the reference to Soma) is the way that Gaiman describes the interaction between the god and Wednesday during the bar scene - he writes them as warped mirror images of each other. Wednesday is "the man in the light grey suit" and Mercury is "the man in the charcoal (dark grey) suit." Wednesday drinks Jack Daniels, a Tennessee Straight Whiskey (legally defined as bourbon - disputed by distillers as it's own thing), and Mercury drinks Laphroaig, a scotch whiskey. And, of course, there's Why Can't He Be You. I don't think the lyrics are relevant, but I think the song title is - I think it's a distinct reference to the fact that Wednesday should "be" Mercury but isn't.

More important bits to note:

Because the planet Mercury is practically impossible to see with the human eye, the Egyptian name for Mercury is Sbg, 'unknown.'

The conception of Budha caused a war of the gods according to to Hindu mythology.

Budha's consort, Ila, is a lunar goddess. Since Laura's last name is Moon, we can assume that Shadow's last name is Moon, and because he never knew his father Shadow would have had his mother's last name, making his mother a Moon. His mother is described as being dark-haired and dark-eyed, which roughly indicates that his mother looked ethnically like the "forgotten god."

    
svaret ges 11.09.2011 18:54
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Jag är lite sen till denna fest men låt mig ge det här en virvel. När jag först läste amerikanska gudar - för några år sedan nu - var jag under intrycket att den glömde guden var Pluto / Hades, underjordens gud. Varför tror jag det här? Tja - och var snäll och rensa mig. Jag verkar komma ihåg att den här guden tycktes vara rik. Detta passar med namnet Pluto - vilket betyder "rik", "Mr Moneybags." Eftersom guld, silver, andra metaller och ädelstenar grävas upp från jorden - underjorden - de kommer från Plutos rike, så han är den rikaste av gudarna. När det gäller den glömska delen, jag tror att namnet Hades betyder "The Unseen" - människor kunde inte behålla minnet att interagera med honom. Var han inte heller given till en brottschefs mien - ett spel på ordet "undervärlden". Det är min gissning.

    
svaret ges 05.07.2017 05:40
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KHW är korrekt eftersom Gaiman för närvarande inte säger, men han kan en dag. Från hans blogg :

As for withholding information... before the Internet, I'd tell anyone anything they wanted to know. ("Who's the missing member of the Endless?" "Destruction." "Oh.") After the Internet, I would try and avoid answering some direct questions because it might spoil things for people. "Why did Delight become Delirium?" "Who's the Forgotten God?" -- they're questions I would happily have answered for anyone who asked at a signing 20 years ago, because it wouldn't have gone any further, not in any way that mattered. Not any longer, because one day I may tell those stories. (If I knew for sure I wouldn't tell them, then I'd happily answer people now.)

    
svaret ges 26.09.2013 06:11
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Jag tror att det är "osynliga handen" -konceptet i ekonomi. Jag vet att det inte är en förgottnen gud men teorin är från 1700. Och Adam Smith var från Skottland därmed lapfroigh och torv.

    
svaret ges 01.09.2016 15:35
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Jag läste boken för några månader sedan men jag tror att jag minns den förgettable guden som var dvärgguden som var ungefär 6 meter lång, som mötte Shadow efter onsdagen dog. Han var den som sa att hans "folk" var redo att kämpa bredvid Anansi och Cheznobog i slaget för att komma och sa att ett av hans folk kunde stå på onsdagens vaksamhet och överleva. Jag är ganska säker på att det här är killen du tänker på.

    
svaret ges 07.06.2012 04:14
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Jag trodde att guden var slumpmässig gud. När som helst Shadow försökte ålägga ordning på denna gud (som att göra / komma ihåg hans egenskaper) misslyckas ansträngningen. Aspekten av slumpen skulle naturligtvis göra hans habitat Vegas, vars hela existens byggdes på chans, om än i husets tjänst.

    
svaret ges 07.04.2017 17:48