Från vilken Star Trek-episod lärde Wobbler om farfarparadoxen?

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I Terry Pratchetts Johnny och Bomb , kapitel 9, försöker Kirsty förklara att Wobbler inte kunde komma tillbaka till framtiden med sina vänner eftersom han bytte historia och av misstag dödade sin egen farfar.

Wobbler gave them a suspicious look.

‘What's going on here?’ he said.

‘Look, I can't explain now,’ said Johnny. ‘You're … stuck here. Er. Apparently, er, something's gone wrong. Er. There's been a snag.’

‘What kind of snag?’

‘Er. Quite a big one.’

Wobbler stopped eating. It was that serious.

‘How big?’ he said.

‘Er. You're not going to be born … er.’ Wobbler stared at him. Then he stared at the half-eaten burger.

‘Am I eating this burger? Are these my teeth marks?’ he demanded.

‘Look, it's perfectly simple,’ said Kirsty. ‘You're alive here, yes, but when we first came back, something must have happened which changed history. Everything anyone does changes history. So there's two histories. You were born in one, but things have been changed and when we got back it was into a different history where you weren't. All we have to do is put things back the way they should be, and then everything will be all right.’

‘Hah! You haven't got a shelf of Star Trek videos as well, have you?’ said Wobbler.

Var Wobbler tänkt på en viss episod (eller film eller annan berättelse) av Star Trek här, en som har liknande problem med tidsresor och farorna med att ändra det förflutna?

Var snäll och överväga endast episoder av vilka både Wobbler (ett barn i Storbritannien) kunde ha känt till 1996 (när han bodde vid den här historien) och Pratchett kunde ha känt till 1996 (när Johnny och bomberna publicerades först).

Dialogrutan om tidsresor i kapitel 1, som förskjuter mycket av diagrammet, kan också vara relevant:

‘But you can't travel in time without messing things up,’ said Yo-less.

‘That's the whole point,’ said Bigmac. ‘That's what you want to do. I wouldn't mind joining the police if they were time police. You'd go back and say, “Hey, are you Adolf Hitler?” and when he said, “Achtung, that's me, ja” … Kablooeee! With the pumb-action shotgun. End of problem.’

‘Yes, but supposing you accidentally shot your own grandfather,’ said Yo-less patiently.

‘I wouldn't. He doesn't look a bit like Adolf Hitler.’

‘Anyway, you're not that good a shot,’ said Wobbler. [skipping the anecdote about Bigmac]

‘I didn't mean actually shooting your actual grandfather,’ said Yo-less, loudly. ‘I mean messing things up so maybe you're not actually born or your time machine never gets invented. Like in that film where the robot is sent back to kill the mother of the boy who's going to beat the robots when he grows up.’¹

‘Good one, that,’ said Bigmac, strafing the silent shops with an invisible machine gun.

‘But if he never got born how did they know he'd existed?’ said Yo-less. ‘Didn't make any sense to me.’

‘How come you're such an expert?’ said Wobbler.

‘Well, I've got three shelves of Star Trek videos,’ said Yo-less.

‘Anorak alert!’

‘Nerd!’

‘Trainspotter!’

‘Anyway,’ said Yo-less, ‘if you changed things, maybe you'd end up not going back in time, and there you would be, back in time, I mean, except you never went in the first place, so you wouldn't be able to come back on account of not having gone. Or, even if you could get back, you'd get back to another time, like a sort of parallel dimension, because if the thing you changed hadn't happened then you wouldn't've gone, so you could only come back to somewhere you never went. And there you'd be – stuck.’

They tried to work this out.

‘Huh, you'd have to be mad to even understand time travel,’ said Wobbler eventually.

¹ Den antecknade pratchettfilen berättar vilken film Yo-less nämner i den här raden.

    
uppsättning b_jonas 19.04.2017 17:28

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Med tanke på att vi pratar om tejp på tejp (vilket betyder att det inte kan användas för kanon) var det en animerad serie-episod som heter Yesteryear från 1973

As the travelers begin to appear, one-by-one, Kirk announces to McCoy how exciting it was to observe the birth of a civilization, just as the last traveler, Spock, emerges from the Guardian, much to the surprise of both Grey and McCoy. McCoy inquires who it is they brought back with them. Although Kirk reacts with puzzlement because he believes McCoy obviously knows Spock, McCoy says he doesn't.

Spock inser sedan att han bara lever på grund av en paradox han skapade sig

Spock then recalls the date of the event in question, the twentieth day of Tasmeen, noting that it was the day that his cousin Selek saved his life in the desert when he was attacked by a wild animal. Although Spock cannot remember the finer details of the event, he recalls that that was also the only time he had ever met Selek.

On a hunch, Kirk asks if Selek looked anything like how Spock now does. Spock confirms what Kirk has been thinking; Spock saved his own life in the original timeline, but was unable to do it a second time because he was in Orion's past when the time vortex replayed Vulcan history, making it impossible for him to be in two places at one time. With the realization of what has transpired, Kirk asks the Guardian if there is any way they can reverse what happened. The Guardian confirms that there is, as long as no other important factor is altered.

    
svaret ges 19.04.2017 18:24
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Kan vara "Imorgon är igår" - TOS Säsong 1: Ep 19

Besättningen reser sig till det förflutna, och John Christopher, en amerikanska pilot från 1960-talet, som av misstag ser Enterprise, kommer ombord. Besättningen avser att återvända till framtiden med honom, men bestämmer att de inte kan, eftersom hans son (som är mycket viktig när det gäller tidslinjen) inte har fötts än:

SPOCK: Poor choice of words on my part. I neglected, in my initial run-through, to correlate the possible contributions by offspring. I find, after running a crosscheck on that factor, that your son Colonel Shaun Geoffrey Christopher headed, or will head, the first successful Earth-Saturn probe, which is a rather significant

CHRISTOPHER: Wait a minute. I don't have a son.

MCCOY: You mean yet.

SPOCK: The doctor is correct. Unless we return Captain Christopher to Earth, There will be no Colonel Shaun Geoffrey Christopher to go to Saturn.

KIRK: Well, that's it, isn't it? We'll have to find some way of

CHRISTOPHER: A boy. I'm going to have a son.

Källa: länk

    
svaret ges 19.04.2017 18:09
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Bandet i fråga kan vara en referens till "City on the Edge of Forever", där Kirk, Spock och McCoy, vid första upptäckten av evighetsförmyndaren transporteras tillbaka till jorden, ca. 1933, och Kirk sparar Edith Keelers liv (och blir förälskad i henne självklart) - innan Spock upptäcker att de på ett eller annat sätt oavsiktligt har torkat hela federationens historia och spår ändringen till Edith Keeler som lever bortom tiden för deras ankomst i det förflutna.

Detta är "grandpar paradox" writ stor - den enkla handlingen att hålla en främling från att köra ned av en bil ändrar tre århundraden av historia till en oigenkännlig form.

    
svaret ges 14.06.2017 13:19