Efter att Darth Vader dödades, berättade Lukas att han var hans far?

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Har det någonsin blivit "offentligt" kunskap om att Anakin var Darth Vader, efter att han dog? Det fanns givetvis flera personer på Viking Jedi begravning av Darth Vader, men visste de andra (inte inklusive Leia) att han var Anakin och fadern till Luke och Leia? EU eller canon?

    
uppsättning Juha Untinen 25.04.2016 09:43

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Luke berättade för Leia. Leia sa till Han. Leia och Han berättade för Ben Solo. Det kan vara det. 1 Leia vet inte ens om Chewbacca vet. Så talar den nya kanonversionen, Bloodline .

Obs! Spoilers för Star Wars: Bloodline framåt

Casterfo frowned. “Princess Leia?”

He had dared to tell her his most painful truth. She could never reveal hers, not to anyone who didn’t already know; Leia understood that. But perhaps she could find the courage to match his honesty with a measure of her own.

“At the beginning of the war against the Empire, just as the Imperial Senate was dissolved—” She swallowed hard. “My ship was captured by the Devastator. That was Darth Vader’s flagship at the time. He personally brought me to the Death Star, where he— where he questioned me.”...

“Then he brought me to witness Alderaan’s destruction. Vader’s hand gripped my shoulder just after I watched my planet die. He made me suffer in every way a human being can suffer, all for the love of the Emperor.”

Casterfo slipped his arm from under her hand — she had gone utterly motionless — and grasped her fingers in his. As old as she was, as cynical as she’d become, Leia would never have guessed that such a gesture could still move her, but it did.

“I hated him so much,” she whispered. The breeze blew past them, rustling the blueblossom trees within the hanging gardens. It was as if they were helping to hide her painful words. “Sometimes I felt as if the only thing that kept me going in the aftermath of Alderaan was the strength of my hatred for Vader.”

For my father.
- Star Wars: Bloodline

...

Think of your conversation with Casterfo as practice, she told herself. One day she would have to reveal all this to her son. The truth of Vader’s identity had shattered her; she could not imagine what it might mean to Ben. At least Luke could tell Ben the most important part— that Vader had, in the end, been redeemed. Anakin Skywalker had returned; the dark side had been defeated by the light.
- ibid

...

Tai-Lin hesitated before he came closer. “There’s something I’ve been meaning to ask you for a long time, and finally I feel I know you well enough to dare. If I overstep my bounds, please, tell me.”

Uh-oh, Leia thought. Was this some kind of romantic overture? Surely not. She seemed to have a case of paranoia this morning. But she understood why an outside observer might believe she was available, which was proof Han had definitely been gone too long. “I’ll tell you, Tai-Lin. Go ahead and ask me.”

“Did you never consider following in your brother’s path and becoming a Jedi?”

Leia found herself caught short. “Why do you ask?”

“They say on my world that the Force sometimes runs strong in certain families.”

So much of the lore of the Jedi had been lost— but on Gatalenta, the old religion had remained strong. History had become legend, but some of the legends were still told. Gatalenta had been one of Luke’s first destinations when he began his research into the Jedi Knights of old.

Tai-Lin continued, “If that is true, then you might have the potential, just like your brother.”

And my son, she thought but did not say.

“If you have that ability, then I cannot imagine why you would not become a Jedi as well,” Tai-Lin finished. “Surely I’ve known few people who would make a finer Jedi Knight than you.”

Leia inclined her head in gratitude for the compliment, but she could not answer right away, because she could not tell the full truth. The Force was too important a subject to be shared lightly, even with Tai-Lin, her ally and friend.
- ibid

Det hade dock inte varit nödvändigt för Luke att berätta för någon annan - hemligheten hade blivit utsatt framför den galaktiska senaten av en politisk rival av Leia:

Ransolm continued, “Princess Leia’s lies have protected her long enough. Her deception cannot be permitted to endanger the entire galaxy. If people are considering electing her as First Senator, they have the right to know exactly who they’re voting for.”

Leia’s confusion crystallized in an instant around one of her most terrible fears: He knows.

No. Impossible. Nobody had ever known this besides her, Luke, and Han; she wasn’t even sure whether Han had told Chewie. They hadn’t even told Ben yet. So Ransolm couldn’t have learned the most horrible truth of her life. There was no way. He had to be talking about something else.

But what? There was nothing Leia could think of, nothing besides...

Ransolm pointed at her and declared to the entire Galactic Senate, “Senator Leia Organa is none other than the daughter of Darth Vader himself!”
- ibid

Hur fick han reda på om Leia, Luke och Han inte sa till honom? Konstigt hade han fått en inspelning av Bail Organa som spillde bönorna - en inspelning som Leia aldrig hade hört.

Uproar swirled around Leia, surrounded her. She could hardly hear the shouts, stamps, whistles, and pounded desks from the senators over the rushing of blood in her own ears. Her breaths came shallow in her chest, as if Ransolm Casterfo’s revelation had wound itself so tightly around her that she would soon suffocate.

“This is a lie!” Varish howled over the din. “A filthy, outrageous lie, and one Senator Organa will rise to deny!”

Will I? Leia’s thoughts filtered through a daze. Her limbs had gone so watery and weak from shock that she wasn’t sure she could get to her feet.

“I do not come without proof,” Ransolm said. “I will now present my evidence for everyone to hear, so that they can all know how close we came to allowing Lord Vader’s daughter to rule over us all.”

Proof? What possible proof could there be? Leia stared at Ransolm, aware that she should feel angry or betrayed, but unable to summon any emotions besides horror and confusion.

Then Ransolm held up a box — not just any box, a keepsake chest. Every child on Alderaan had one. Parents and grandparents carved the designs, but only the child decided what would be put inside. Placing one of your possessions inside the keepsake chest meant that you had outgrown it but recognized its importance to you. In adulthood you could open the chest, look back, and see how you had chosen to tell your own story.

Leia thought that keepsake chest looked like hers. But she hadn’t seen it in at least thirty years, and surely it had been destroyed with Alderaan.

Nobody was ever supposed to open a keepsake chest without permission, but Ransolm opened this one now. From within he pulled out a music box, one Leia recognized so instantly that the memory pierced her heart like an arrow. She had no time to wonder how it had survived or come into Ransolm Casterfo’s possession; Ransolm had already opened it, and the tune began to play. Mirrorbright shines the moon—

— and then Bail Organa began to speak. Just the sound of his voice brought tears to her eyes, but every word revealed her deepest secret. In despair Leia thought, They are using both my fathers against me.

Bail Organa, who had so often spoken out in the Old Republic and Imperial senates, who had possessed the courage to stand against Palpatine when nearly every other planetary leader had bowed to the Emperor’s power, uttered his last words to the public from the music box, played on every speaker, to be reproduced by every news source around the galaxy within moments. “Your father has become Darth Vader.”

The shouting rose again, even louder than before. Leia bit the inside of her cheek, struggling to keep some small measure of her composure. Her father — her real father — had had the foresight to store this somewhere offplanet. He had given Leia the truth in the only way he could. And the Senate had repaid his service and his love by using it to humiliate his daughter. She felt a moment of dull gratitude that at least Bail had never known this; he’d never had to face just how terribly his message had been used against her.
- ibid

1 Naturligtvis visste R2-D2 i slutet av Revenge of the Sith, och till skillnad från C-3PO, blev hans minne inte torkat. Även om det hade varit, var R2 på Dagobah när Yoda bekräftade Lukas att Vader var Lukas far, så han kanske har hört det då. Så vi kan kunna lägga till R2 i listan.

    
svaret ges 12.07.2016 22:25
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Luke berättar Leia i ROTJ, precis innan han också berättar för henne att hon är hans syster.

My father has it, I have it, my sister has it. Yes, it's you, Leia!

Redigera: Du förtydligade nu att du menar "förutom Leia". Jag är inte medveten om kanonhändelser där Luke skulle ha avslöjat det.

Från TFA vet vi att Han visste

There's nothing we could have done. There's too much Vader in him (1:24:26)

Liksom Lor San Tekka, nästan säkert, som han känner till Ben / Kylos arv

The First Order rose from the dark side, you did not. (0:7:18)

    
svaret ges 25.04.2016 10:24
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I Legends

Ja, åtminstone vissa människor är medvetna om detta. Alla Solo / Skywalker-familjer är medvetna om detta, liksom den (nya) Jedi-ordern. Jag har inga exakta källor men det bör refereras i många böcker.

En av de första referenserna kan vara i Thrawn saga där Noghris heter Leia "Lady Vader" men jag tycker att det var mer eller mindre hemligt, så blev det bara känt av fler människor.

I Disney kanon

I Kraftvakten , ja

Kylo Ren is aware he's Darth Vader's grandson.

Det finns en scen där han talar till Vads hjälm:

Show me again the power of the darkness, and I'll let nothing stand in our way. Show me, grandfather, and I will finish what you started.

När det gäller andra människor finns det inget exakt svar än så länge jag vet, men vissa detaljer kan lämnas i kommande böcker, serier och filmer (Obs! Jag hörde rykten om att vi kanske har lite info i Bloodline roman men detta bekräftas inte eftersom det inte har släppts än).

    
svaret ges 25.04.2016 10:40
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I den första Black Fleet Crisis-novellen verkar det vara allmänt känt, åtminstone bland det politiska / militära beslutsrådet att presidenten för senaten Leia Organa Solo är Darth Vader dotter. De flesta på rummet (inklusive Ackbar och Wedge) verkar inte tro att det är en stor sak. Detta är en av Bantam-förlagets romaner från 1990-talet. Så, legender.

    
svaret ges 07.09.2018 03:21
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För ett annat svar från EU / Legends, nämner Luke det för sin första grupp praktikanter på Yavin. Det är inte säkert om det förekommer i Jedi Academy-trilogin själv, men det händer i boken Jedi, som åtminstone delvis följer samma händelser.

    
svaret ges 02.06.2018 22:39
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Det verkar inte vara allmänt känt och det hade varit väldigt lätt för Palpatine att hålla detaljerna i massakern av unga dolda (Jedi / nuvarande företag som yoda och så vidare uteslutet) men om någon har sett rebeller se till att genom visioner finner Ashoka om Anakins felaktiga verk, men vem hon överför den kunskapen på, kan jag inte berätta för dig, men det faktum att Capt. Rex aldrig säger någonting och de andra inte ens vet vilka Anakin är säkra att säga andra folk visste inte

Redigera Jag förstod att detta var ett svar på en kommentar från TED men ändå är jag inte säker på om Luke berättade för andra men som vissa andra sa att Han Solo visste klart och därför också snyggt .. Jag kan inte se mycket anledning till varför de skulle behöver hålla det hemligt trots att imperiet har fallit vader är borta och kejsaren inte längre jagar den återstående Jedi som den första ordningen verkar det inte som att förstöra Jedi är deras primära mål även om Kylo Ren gör

    
svaret ges 26.04.2016 01:14