Finns det några tips om vattenmagi som övas i en sång av is och eld / spel av troner?

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I en värld av is och eld, i avsnittet Forntida historia: Tio tusen fartyg , finns det mycket prat om vattenmagi.

I böckerna och i showen har vi sett vad vi antar är blodmagi, eldmagi och förmodligen lite mörk trolldom.

Jag kan emellertid inte tänka på en förekomst där vattenmagi har använts, eller kunde antagligen ha använts.

Finns det bevis som pekar mot denna typ av magi som för närvarande utövas?

    
uppsättning Aggrajag 22.08.2017 20:31

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Vem använde Water Magic och vad var det?

Först och främst användes Water Magic av Rhoynars folk historiskt.

Art and music flourished in the cities of the Rhoyne, and it is said their people had their own magic—a water magic very different from the sorceries of Valyria, which were woven of blood and fire. Though united by blood and culture and the river that had given them birth, the Rhoynish cities were elsewise fiercely independent, each with its own prince...or princess, for amongst these river folk, women were regarded as the equals of men.
TWOIAF - Ancient History: 10,000 Ships

Man sa att Rhoynar kunde få intel från Mother Rhoyne om hot och höja Vattenmuren för att skydda sina städer:

It was said the Mother Rhoyne herself whispered to her children of every threat, that the Rhoynar princes wielded strange, uncanny powers, that Rhoynish women fought as fiercely as Rhoynish men, and that their cities were protected by "watery walls" that would rise to drown any foe.
TWOIAF - Ancient History: 10,000 Ships

First Turtle War

Det var Första sköldpaddeskriget mellan Rhoynar och Valyrian Freehold där Rhoynar gjorde första kända användningen av deras magi och översvämmade Valyrian-staden Volon Therys med vatten, drunknade Valyrian-invaderarna och uppnådde seger:

The First Turtle War lasted less than a moon's turn. Sar Mell was raided and burned, yet emerged victorious when Rhoynish water wizards called up the power of the river and flooded Volon Therys. Half the city was washed away, if the tales can be believed.
TWOIAF - Ancient History: 10,000 Ships

Bildad, en Rhoynar Turtle kämpar Valyrian Dragons (ca 700 f.Kr., färgad):

Andrakryddkriget

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Garin found himself facing a hundred thousand foes, a hundred war elephants, and three dragonlords. Here too he prevailed, though at great cost. Thousands burned, but thousands more sheltered in the shallows of the river, whilst their wizards raised enormous waterspouts against the foe's dragons. Rhoynish archers brought down two of the dragons, whilst the third fled, wounded. In the aftermath, Mother Rhoyne rose in rage to swallow Volon Therys. Thereafter men began to name the victorious prince Garin the Great, and it is said that, in Volantis, great lords trembled in terror as his host advanced. Rather than face him in the field, the Volantenes retreated back behind their Black Walls and appealed to the Freehold for help.
TWOIAF - Ancient History: 10,000 Ships

Mor Valyria svarade hennes dotters samtal och inte tre, men trehundra drakeherrar anlände från Valyria för att vända tidvattnet. De vann men kostnaden var hemsk:

And the dragons came. Not three, as Prince Garin had faced at Volon Therys, but three hundred or more, if the tales that have come down to us can be believed. Against their fires, the Rhoynar could not stand. Tens of thousands burned whilst others rushed into the river, hoping that the embrace of Mother Rhoyne would offer them protection against dragonflame...only to drown in their mother's embrace. Some chroniclers insist that the fires burned so hot that the very waters of the river boiled and turned to steam. Garin the Great was captured alive and made to watch his people suffer for their defiance.

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At Chroyane, the cage was hung from the walls, so that the prince might witness the enslavement of the women and children whose fathers and brothers had died in his gallant, hopeless war...but the prince, it is said, called down a curse upon the conquerors, entreating Mother Rhoyne to avenge her children. And so, that very night, the Rhoyne flooded out of season and with greater force than was known in living memory. A thick fog full of evil humors fell, and the Valyrian conquerors began to die of greyscale.
TWOIAF - Ancient History: 10,000 Ships

Avbildad, förstörelse av Garins armé i händerna på Valyrian Dragonlords:

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The Rhoynar brought considerable wealth with them; their artisans, metalworkers, and stonemasons brought skills far in advance of those achieved by their Westerosi counterparts, and their armorers were soon producing swords and spears and suits of scale and plate no Westerosi smith could hope to match. Even more crucially, it is said the Rhoynish water witches knew secret spells that made dry streams flow again and deserts bloom.
TWOIAF - Ancient History: 10,000 Ships

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Skogensbarn

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But whether the Breaking took place in a single night, or over the course of centuries, there can be no doubt that it occurred; the Stepstones and the Broken Arm of Dorne give mute but eloquent testimony to its effects. There is also much to suggest that the Sea of Dorne was once an inland freshwater sea, fed by mountain streams and much smaller than it is today, until the narrow sea burst its bounds and drowned the salt marshes that lay between.

Even if we accept that the old gods broke the Arm of Dorne with the Hammer of the Waters, as the legends claim, the greenseers sang their song too late.

No more wanderers crossed to Westeros after the Breaking, it is true, for the First Men were no seafarers...but so many of their forebears had already made the crossing that they outnumbered the dwindling elder races almost three to one by the time the lands were severed, and that disparity only grew in the centuries that followed, for the women of the First Men brought forth sons and daughters with much greater frequency than the females of the elder races.
TWOIAF - Dorne: the Breaking

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Legend says that the great floods that broke the land bridge that is now the Broken Arm and made the Neck a swamp were the work of the greenseers, who gathered at Moat Cailin to work dark magic.
TWOIAF - Ancient History: the Coming of the First Men

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Nej,detfinnsingaexempelpåattWaterMagicövasidenaktuellatidslinjen.

SomviobserveradeärkonstenassocieradmedRhoynarochSkogensbarn.

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"But some twelve thousand years ago, the First Men appeared from the east, crossing the Broken Arm of Dorne before it was broken. They came with bronze swords and great leathern shields, riding horses. No horse had ever been seen on this side of the narrow sea. No doubt the children were as frightened by the horses as the First Men were by the faces in the trees. As the First Men carved out holdfasts and farms, they cut down the faces and gave them to the fire. Horror-struck, the children went to war. The old songs say that the greenseers used dark magics to make the seas rise and sweep away the land, shattering the Arm, but it was too late to close the door. The wars went on until the earth ran red with blood of men and children both, but more children than men, for men were bigger and stronger, and wood and stone and obsidian make a poor match for bronze. Finally the wise of both races prevailed, and the chiefs and heroes of the First Men met the greenseers and wood dancers amidst the weirwood groves of a small island in the great lake called Gods Eye.
AGOT - Bran VII

NärdetgällerRhoynaren,somvisåg,vardetvungnaattflyfrånattframhävaValyrian-dragonlordsochtatillflyktiDorne.Detverkaremellertidattdenmodernarhynarenharglömtderasförfäderskonst(såsomåterstodenavValyriansharglömtderasförfäder).Dettaärunderförståttsomi First Dornish War , Rhoynar använde inte Water Magic mot Aegon Conquerors drakar. I vilket fall som helst var det Rhoynaren som var Valiriens hårdaste fiender i sin erövring av Essos. Och det var igen Rhoynaren som visade sig vara Valiriens hårdaste fiender när konungen Egeon började erövra Westeros.

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Nej det finns ingen förekomst av Water Magic som praktiseras i Showen och jag minns inte heller om det.

    
svaret ges 23.08.2017 09:02