How lyckades Darth Sidious minska alla Jedi förmåga att använda Force?

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Windu: I think it is time we informed the Senate that our ability to use the Force has diminished.
Yoda: Only the Dark Lords of the Sith know of our weakness. If informed, the Senate is, multiply, our adversaries will.
(src: Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones)

Hur gjorde bara en (eller 2 om du räknar praktikanter) Sith Lord - lika kraftfull som Sidious - minska alla av Jedis förmåga att använda kraften, till synes överallt i Galaxen?

Jag letar efter ett svar med något annat än Gamla kanonsystemets N-canon nivå (dvs kanon eller Legends , under det nya kanonsystemet), inte bara spekulation.

    
uppsättning DVK-on-Ahch-To 30.08.2012 17:11

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Bra fråga.

Du frågar:

How did just one (or 2 if you count trainees) Sith Lord - even as powerful as Sidious - diminish all of Jedi's ability to use the Force, seemingly everywhere in the Galaxy?

Svaret är att han inte kan. :)

Faktum är att han faktiskt inte ändrade jedisens kraftförmåga. Han ändrade kraften själv. Titta på denna passage i Siths hämnd :

And while Palpatine answered, Mace Windu reached into the Force. To Mace's Force perception, the world crystallized around them, becoming a gem of reality shot through with flaws and fault lines of possibility. This was Mace's particular gift: to see how people and situations fit together in the Force, to find the shear planes that can cause them to break in useful ways, and to intuit what sort of strike would best make the cut. Though he could not consistently determine the significance of the structures he perceived—the darkening cloud upon the Force that had risen with the rebirth of the Sith made that harder and harder with each passing day—the presence of shatterpoints was always clear.

Från Evig labyrint

Yoda surrendered himself to the current of the Force. Sometimes, when the current was swift and steadfast, he could see through the eyes of his fellow Jedi, almost as if they were the Temple's remote sensors. And sometimes when the current was especially forceful, when it surged as if descending from great heights, he could hear the voice of Qui-Gon Jinn, as clearly as if he were still alive.

Master Yoda, he might say, we still have much to learn. The Force remains a code only partially deciphered. But another key has been found. We will become stronger than we have ever been...

Today was not one of those days. Today the current was interrupted by eddies and whirlpools, hydraulic traps whose roar overpowered the voices Yoda sought to hear. Today the current was not pellucid, but muddied by red soil eroded from distant shores, treacherous with obstacles, tainted. Though he was scarcely aware of it, his eyelids were squeezed tight, his eyeballs dancing beneath as if incapable of focusing on any one thing.

He had an image of himself drawing aside a veil only to find another, and another beyond that. The dark side frustrated his every effort to see clearly. The experience was still something new to him. Even though he'd had centuries to grow accustomed to foreboding, he had lived far longer without it. The dark side never completely disappeared - - it scratched at the surface like an insect crawling across a transparisteel panel - - and he had been able to sense its incremental increases in strength when the Jedi erred, or when the Republic erred, and soon the two were hand in hand.

Jedi är tjänarna på den lätta sidan kraften. Ju svagare det blir desto svårare är det att se klart, som den mörka sidan gör allt för att lura dem.

Sith gjorde den mörka sidan stonger.

De använde tre metoder för att göra det:

Force technics:

Kraften påverkas av allt levande väsen, därför faller alla platser inte samma i Kraften. Om en plats är bebodd av varelser full av rädsla, ilska och hat, blir platsen stark i den mörka sidan (Korriban). För att vara stark i Kraften kan en enda gång vara tillräcklig: den plats där Anakins mamma dog förblir tainted i minst decennier. Från Force-studien är det möjligt att göra det medvetet, både Jedi (Shaak Ti på Felucia) och Sith gjorde det.

Plagueis och Sidious gjorde samma för hela galaxen ( Darth Plagueis ):

The question of whether he and Sidious had discovered something new or rediscovered something ancient was beside the point. All that mattered was that, almost a decade earlier, they had succeeded in willing the Force to shift and tip irrevocably to the dark side. Not a mere paradigm shift, but a tangible alteration that could be felt by anyone strong in the Force, and whether or not trained in the Sith or Jedi arts. The shift had been the outcome of months of intense meditation, during which Plagueis and Sidious had sought to challenge the Force for sovereignty and suffuse the galaxy with the power of the dark side. Brazen and shameless, and at their own mortal peril, they had waged etheric war, anticipating that their own midi-chlorians, the Force’s proxy army, might marshal to boil their blood or stop the beating of their hearts. Risen out of themselves, discorporate and as a single entity, they had brought the power of their will to bear, asserting their sovereignty over the Force. No counterforce had risen against them. In what amounted to a state of rapture they knew that the Force had yielded, as if some deity had been tipped from its throne. On the fulcrum they had fashioned, the light side had dipped and the dark side had ascended.

Spridningen av kaos

Så vi ser att varelser kan korrumpera kraften. I det första fallet kan några men oerhört kraftfulla varelser göra en galaktisk förändring. Å andra sidan kan svaga men extremt många individer göra detsamma. Så Sith var tvungen att sprida elände för att skapa rädsla, ilska och hat.

“Through us, the powers of chaos are harnessed and exploited. Dark times don’t simply emerge, Sidious. Enlightened beings, guiding intelligences manipulate events to bring about a storm that will deliver power into the hands of an elite group willing to make the hard choices the Republic fears to make. Beings may elect their leaders, but the Force has elected us.” He glanced at his apprentice. “Remember, though, that a cunning politician is capable of wreaking more havoc than two Sith Lords armed with vibroblades, lightsabers, or force pikes. That is what you must become, with me advising you from the dark.”

Sedan Bane har förklarat sig, har Sith fängslat uppror, uppmuntrar slaveri, gör de politiska institutionerna dysfunktionella, ökar sociala spänningar och så vidare som kulminerar med klonkrigen. Detta gav styrka till den mörka sidan.

Fallet av Jedi

Från Sith Revenge:

Mace looked even grimmer than usual. "Since the fall of Darth Bane more than a millennium ago, there have been hundreds of thousands of Jedi-hundreds of thousands of Jedi feeding the light with each work of their hands, with each breath, with every beat of their hearts, bringing justice, building civil society, radiating peace, acting out of selfless love for all living things-and in all these thousand years, there have been only two Sith at any time. Only two. Jedi create light, but the Sith do not create darkness. They merely use the darkness that is always there. That has always been there. Greed and jealousy, aggression and lust and fear-these are all natural to sentient beings. The legacy of the jungle. Our inheritance from the dark."

Detta citat är fyllt med Jedi propaganda IMHO, men det finns fortfarande en giltig punkt. Jedi gjorde ljussidan mycket starkare bara genom befintliga och gjorde aktiva insatser för att göra det ännu starkare. Klonkrigen var lösningen. Många stora Jedi föll på grund av kriget (Dooku, Deepa, Vos), och till och med de som inte avskedade var besvärade:

Från Labyrint of Evil

Yes, just as Yoda had sensed after Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan had freed him from slavery on Tatooine and brought him to the Jedi Temple, he had a lot of anger in him. But what Yoda failed to realize was that anger could be a kind of fuel. In peaceful times Anakin might have been able to bridle his rage, but now he relied on it to drive him forward, to transform him into the person he needed to be. Cut off the head. Twice he might have been able to kill Dooku himself had Obi-Wan not held him back. But he didn't hold that against his former Master.

    
svaret ges 30.08.2012 20:55
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Jag tycker att detta är ett missförstånd.

Windu kom precis till denna slutsats, att deras förmåga att använda kraften minskar eftersom allt som hänt fel inträffade under deras näsor vid den tiden och de såg det inte.

Så de drar slutsatsen att de inte var starka i kraften på senare tid eftersom de saknade en uppenbar tomt och att vara uppriktig och alla, ville Windu varna för senaten att de kanske skulle vara beroende av Jedi som inte kunde hjälpa till mycket.

Det här förstod naturligtvis på grund av direkt inflytande och subterfuge som användes av Sith, men denna passage, enligt min mening, är bara Windu som erkänner detta faktum!

    
svaret ges 30.08.2012 23:00
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Svaret finns i Darth Plagueis . Plagueis experimenterade med att påverka mormor i stor skala. Han hittade ett sätt att påverka midiklorier på galaktisk skala men inte till den nivå han önskade.

"To say that the Force works in mysterious ways is to admit one's ignorance, for any mystery can be solved through the application of knowledge and unrelenting effort. As we had our way with the Senate, and as we will soon have our way with the Republic and the Jedi, we will have our way with the Force."

    
svaret ges 30.08.2012 17:57
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Förutom user8252s svar, i "Tarkin" -rappen, avslöjs det att Jedi-templet på Coruscant byggdes över en gammal Sith-helgedom. Jedi hade antagit att Sith var borta och brunnen på Dark Side Force utmattad, men det var inte fallet. Sidious kunde knacka in i den stora poolen på den mörka sidan som är gömd i helgedomen och använda den för att långsamt förtjäna Jedi-templet i sig med den mörka sidan, som grumlar alla människors sinnen inom.

    
svaret ges 10.09.2015 22:09
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Den verkliga orsaken till att Jedis vision var hindrad att se genom kraften var att år sedan, innan Jedi-templet byggdes på Coruscant, placerades en Sith-helgedom, där genom åren molnades användningen av kraften i hela Jedi som kom till träning där, var inte exakt placerad där av kejsaren men han visste om det, eventuellt från sin herre som kunde ha vetat för honom

    
svaret ges 23.12.2015 07:54