Varför heter Arya inte Ilyn Payne i hennes lista? [duplicera]

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Ser Ilyn Payne lever fortfarande och Arya slutade att nämna honom i hennes dödslista; trots allt var han den som halshuggade Ned Stark i första hand. Så varför har han fallit bort från listan?

    
uppsättning Jake Sant 24.12.2017 22:15

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Din fråga är baserad på felaktig förutsättning. Arya har inte slutat att nämna Ilyn Payne i sin bön. Hunden är den enda som hon släppte ut medan han levde. Listan fortsatte att förkortas eftersom människorna på den fortsatte att dö. Låt oss lista ned alla fall av hennes böner, som de förekommer i alla böcker:

En Clash of Kings

Every night Arya would say their names. "Ser Gregor," she'd whisper to her stone pillow. "Dunsen, Polliver, Chiswyck, Raff the Sweetling. The Tickler and the Hound. Ser Amory, Ser Ilyn, Ser Meryn, King Joffrey, Queen Cersei." Back in Winterfell, Arya had prayed with her mother in the sept and with her father in the godswood, but there were no gods on the road to Harrenhal, and her names were the only prayer she cared to remember.
ACOK - Arya VI

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It took him only three days to earn the place of honor in her nightly prayers. "Weese," she would whisper, first of all. "Dunsen, Chiswyck, Polliver, Raff the Sweetling. The Tickler and the Hound. Ser Gregor, Ser Amory, Ser Ilyn, Ser Meryn, King Joffrey, Queen Cersei." If she let herself forget even one of them, how would she ever find him again to kill him?
ACOK - Arya VII

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"Dunsen, Chiswyck, Polliver, Raff the Sweetling. The Tickler and the Hound. Ser Gregor, Ser Amory, Ser Ilyn, Ser Meryn, King Joffrey, Queen Cersei." She thought she might add three more names to her prayer, but she was too tired to decide tonight.
ACOK - Arya VII

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"Weese," Arya whispered that night as she bent over the tear in her shift. "Dunsen, Polliver, Raff the Sweetling," she said, calling a name every time she pushed the bone needle through the undyed wool. "The Tickler and the Hound. Ser Gregor, Ser Amory, Ser Ilyn, Ser Meryn, King Joffrey, Queen Cersei." She wondered how much longer she would have to include Weese in her prayer, and drifted off to sleep dreaming that on the morrow, when she woke, he'd be dead.
ACOK - Arya VIII

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She slashed at birch leaves till the splintery point of the broken broomstick was green and sticky. "Ser Gregor," she breathed. "Dunsen, Polliver, Raff the Sweetling." She spun and leapt and balanced on the balls of her feet, darting this way and that, knocking pinecones flying. "The Tickler," she called out one time, "the Hound," the next. "Ser Ilyn, Ser Meryn, Queen Cersei." The bole of an oak loomed before her, and she lunged to drive her point through it, grunting "Joffrey, Joffrey, Joffrey."
ACOK - Arya X

En storm av svärd

Arya looked up at the fleshless dead in their wet rotting clothes and said her own prayer. Ser Gregor, it went, Dunsen, Polliver, Raff the Sweetling. The Tickler and the Hound. Ser Ilyn, Ser Meryn, King Joffrey, Queen Cersei. She ended it with valar morghulis
ASOS - Arya I

Då ser vi att hon släppte bort några namn i samma kapitel, men bara för att hon somnade halvvägs:

The last thing she did before closing her eyes was unsheathe her sword and lay it down beside her. "Ser Gregor," she whispered, yawning. "Dunsen, Polliver, Raff the Sweetling. The Tickler and . . . the Tickler . . . the Hound . . ."
ASOS - Arya I

Då är hon tillbaka till normal:

"Valar morghulis," she would say under her breath. "Ser Gregor, Dunsen, Polliver, Raff the Sweetling. The Tickler and the Hound. Ser Ilyn, Ser Meryn, Queen Cersei, King Joffrey."
ASOS - Arya III

Igen

"Ser Gregor, Dunsen, Polliver, Raff the Sweetling. The Tickler and the Hound. Ser Ilyn, Ser Meryn, King Joffrey, Queen Cersei." Arya tried to imagine how they would look when they were dead, but it was hard to bring their faces to mind.
ASOS - Arya VII

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Arya huddled down and held her tongue. Valar morghulis, she thought sullenly. Ser Ilyn, Ser Meryn, King Joffrey, Queen Cersei. Dunsen, Poliver, Raff the Sweetling, Ser Gregor and the Tickler. And the Hound, the Hound, the Hound.
ASOS - Arya IX

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"Ser Gregor the Mountain," she said softly. "Dunsen, Raff the Sweetling, Ser Ilyn, Ser Meryn, Queen Cersei." It made her feel queer to leave out Polliver and the Tickler. And Joffrey too.
ASOS - Arya XIII

En fest för kråkor

The Titan's eyes seemed brighter now, and farther apart. Arya did not know any Many-Faced God, but if he answered prayers, he might be the god she sought. Ser Gregor, she thought, Dunsen, Raff the Sweetling, Ser Ilyn, Ser Meryn, Queen Cersei. Only six now. Joffrey was dead, the Hound had slain Polliver, and she'd stabbed the Tickler herself, and that stupid squire with the pimple. I wouldn't have killed him if he hadn't grabbed me.
AFFC - Arya I

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Each night before sleep, she murmured her prayer into her pillow. "Ser Gregor," it went. "Dunsen, Raff the Sweetling, Ser Ilyn, Ser Meryn, Queen Cersei." She would have whispered the names of the Freys of the Crossing too, if she had known them. One day I'll know, she told herself, and then I'll kill them all.
AFFC - Arya II

Och även

So she prayed her own prayer to the Many-Faced God, the one that went, "Ser Gregor, Dunsen, Raff the Sweetling, Ser Ilyn, Ser Meryn, Queen Cersei." She prayed in silence. If the Many-Faced God was a proper god, he would hear her.
AFFC - Arya II

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"Ser Gregor," she chanted, as she crossed a stone bridge supported by four arches. From the center of its span she could see the masts of ships in the Ragman's Harbor. "Dunsen, Raff the Sweetling, Ser Ilyn, Ser Meryn, Queen Cersei." Rain began to fall. Arya turned her face up to let the raindrops wash her cheeks, so happy she could dance. "Valar morghulis," she said, "valar morghulis, valar morghulis."
AFFC - Arya II

En dans med drakar

Ser Gregor, she thought. Dunsen, Raff the Sweetling. Ser Ilyn, Ser Meryn, Queen Cersei. Her morning prayer. Or was it? No, she thought, not mine. I am no one. That is the night wolf's prayer. Someday she will find them, hunt them, smell their fear, taste their blood. Someday.
ADWD - The Blind Girl

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Ser Gregor, she could not help but think. Dunsen, Raff the Sweetling. Ser Ilyn, Ser Meryn, Queen Cersei. If she spoke, she would need to lie, and he would know. She kept silent.
ADWD - The ugly little Girl

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Ser Gregor, Dunsen, Raff the Sweetling. Ser Ilyn, Ser Meryn, Queen Cersei. She mouthed the names silently. In the House of Black and White, you never knew who might be listening.
ADWD - The ugly little Girl

Slutsats

Som du kan se har inte Arya misslyckats med att nämna Ilyn Payne förutom den en gången i ASOS när hon somnade.

    
svaret ges 26.12.2017 09:57
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Som @ Aegons svaret säger att det finns förvirring i frågan, jag skulle vilja förklara var denna förvirring kommer ifrån som att komma ihåg skillnaderna mellan showen och böckerna kan vara ganska ansträngande.

Perspektivet Ser Ilyn Payne är (förmodligen) fortfarande levande från Game of Thrones . Även om vi inte har sett honom sedan S02E09 "Blackwater", nämndes han i S04E10 av Tywin i samtal med Tyrion.

Varför vi inte har sett honom ... berodde på att skådespelaren, Wilko Johnson, var diagnostiserad med terminal cancer under 2013 . Han avgick från att agera och meddelade en avskedsresa (Johnson var en musiker innan man handlar). Trots att han gjorde bättre i 2015 , det verkar som att författarna helt enkelt låter sin karaktär falla i dunkling snarare än att ge honom en mer slutgiltig avsändning.

Med tanke på att vi går in på 8: e och sista säsongen av showen och karaktären inte har sett eller hört talas om under tre årstider är det säkert att anta att det inte kommer att återfå. Så från ett in-universitetsperspektiv tror Arya troligen att Ser Ilyn är död.

    
svaret ges 26.12.2017 15:24