Oldcat skrev:
The filmmakers do have a point that Faramir does make a quick decision to forget the Ring that might be hard to put over in a movie. On the other hand, they could have had a tense psychological scene in the cave with his men and flashbacks to his father and Boromir to do it..
Jag är inte nöjd med någon av de två svaren hittills, för att de inte hänvisar till exakt det - en 5-minuters lång, spänd psykologisk flashback som involverar Faramir och hans bror Boromir.
Eftersom många människor som var otillfredsställda med förändringarna i Faramirs karaktär har påpekat genom årens lopp att denna klippta scenen ( från Extended Edition ) är avgörande för att förstå film Faramirs karaktär och motivation, och är scenen # 1 som borde ha lämnats i TTT.
Nyckelfrasen som förklarar Faramirs motivation här (från boken) är när Faramir är uppenbarligen frestad av Ring i grottan, där han säger
"here in the wild I have you.. a chance for Faramir, captain of Gondor, to show his quality."
I boken är detta ett ironiskt uttalande , eftersom han snabbt rabatterar ringen och hävdar att han inte skulle hämta ringen om han fann den på motorvägen, som alltid bugged mig om Faramir i boken . (det verkar orealistiskt - överväga för att börja om det skulle vara bättre att lämna den på motorvägen för att någon Orc ska hitta?) Faramir i boken är mycket en Mary Sue, med några bevis på att han är en författares inlägg av olika slag.
PJ (kanske klumpigt) ville vara mer realistisk med Faramirs karaktär, samtidigt som han framhäver Gollums "misshandel" som en viktig vändpunkt för Gollums karaktär (hans närmaste ånger på trappan är tyvärr borta från den tredje filmen, vilken är en skarp utelämnelse). Det är en mycket mindre klumpig med scenen kvar i, och mycket mer psykologiskt motiverad.
I filmen visar "visa sin kvalitet" en explicit referens till den raderade scenen, vilket förklarar Boromirs, Faramirs och Denethors motivationer. 1 Här är ett utdrag ur scenen i sin helhet. Jag litar på att rensa upp många saker om dessa tre tecken i filmen:
Two Towers Extended Edition Scene 41. "Sons of the Steward"
Faramir sees a vision of himself standing by a river bank as the body of Boromir floats past in the elvish boat. He looks shocked and grieved.
FARAMIR: His horn washed up upon the riverbank, about six days past. It was cloven in two. But more than this, I know it in my heart. (pauses) He was my brother.
INT. Henneth Annûn. Scene 41.
Faramir sits alone holding Boromir's cloven horn. He sees a flashback to when Osgiliath was retaken. Boromir stands up high on a battlement, and raises the banner of the Stewards of Gondor. The soliders cheer.
SOLDIERS: Boromir! Boromir!
Boromir puts the flag down and unsheathes his sword.
BOROMIR: This city was once the jewel of our kingdom. A place of light and beauty and music. And so it shall be once more! (he raises his sword and the crowds cheer) Let the armies of Mordor know this: Never again will the land of my people fall into enemy hands. (more cheers) This city of Osgiliath has been reclaimed... (he raises his sword again) for Gondor!
CROWD: For Gondor!
The crowd cheers again. Faramir appears and walks joyfully to Boromir. They hug, laughing
FARAMIR: Good speech. Nice and short.
BOROMIR: Leaves more time for drinking! (they laugh) Break out the ale! These men are thirsty!
The crowd cheers and Boromir brings two goblets of ale, giving one to Faramir.
BOROMIR: Remember today, little brother. Today, life is good.
They toast and take a drink. Faramir glances warily sideways --
BOROMIR: (laughing) What? FARAMIR: -- He's here.
BOROMIR: (seeing Denethor talking to the soldiers behind them) One moment of peace! can he not give us that?
DENETHOR: Where is he? Where is Gondor's finest? Where's my first-born?
BOROMIR: (looks jaded and turns to face his father) Father!
DENETHOR: They say you vanquished the enemy almost single-handedly.
BOROMIR: They exaggerate. The victory belongs to Faramir also.
He looks towards Faramir who walks towards them
DENETHOR: But for Faramir, this city would still be standing.
Faramir looks uneasy
DENETHOR: Were you not entrusted to protect it?
FARAMIR: I would have done, but our numbers were too few.
DENETHOR: Oh, too few. You let the enemy walk in and take it on a whim. Always you cast a poor reflection on me. (he walks up to Faramir. Boromir drops his head)
FARAMIR: That is not my intent.
BOROMIR: You give him no credit, and yet he tries to do your will.
Boromir walks away and Denethor follows him. BOROMIR: He loves you, Father.
DENETHOR: Do not trouble me with Faramir......I know his uses, and they are few. We have more urgent things to speak of. Elrond of Rivendell has called a meeting. He will not say why, but I have guessed its purpose. It is rumored that the weapon of the enemy has been found!
BOROMIR: (looks worried) The One Ring. lsildur's Bane.
DENETHOR: (whispers) lt has fallen into the hands of the Elves. Everyone will try to claim it: Men, Dwarves, wizards..! We cannot let that happen! This thing must come to Gondor.
BOROMIR: (shakes his head) Gondor.
DENETHOR: (he clutches Boromir's arm) It's dangerous, I know. Ever the Ring will seek to corrupt the hearts of lesser Men. But you, you are strong! And our need is great. It is our blood which is being spilled, our people who are dying. Sauron is biding his time. He's massing fresh armies. He will return. And when he does, we will be powerless to stop him! You must go. (Boromir looks taken aback) Bring me back this mighty gift!
BOROMIR: (shakes his head) No. My place is here with my people! (he walks away) Not in Rivendell.
DENETHOR: Would you deny your own father?
Faramir appears.
FARAMIR: If there is need to go to Rivendell......send me in his stead.
DENETHOR: You? Oh, I see. A chance for Faramir, captain of Gondor, to show his quality. [beat] I think not. (Faramir lowers his eyes, deeply hurt) I trust this mission only to your brother. The one who will not fail me.
Boromir is on his horse. He looks up at the Gondor banner, sadly, and then at his brother.
BOROMIR: Remember today, little brother. (He rides out of Osgiliath for Rivendell)
[Det här är sista gången vi ser honom i serien, och sista gången Faramir ser honom levande.]
Här är bilder från scenen i sammanhang .
1 Observera att i Elrond uttryckligen uppmanar en av Denethors söner till rådet (inte bara genom en dröm) och Denethor redan misstänker att ringen har hittats Han har redan instruerat sin äldre son att återföra den till Gondor och anser inte Faramir, "trollkarlens elev", upp till uppgiften.
Så Faramirs motivationer i filmen handlar om familjedynamik.