True necromancer, caster nivå och animera döda

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Jag arbetade på en sannkromare (Libris mortis sid. 53) och jag ville se hur många undeads det kan kontrollera. Antag att Necromancer är nivå 11, han kommer från en cleric / 3, wizard / 3, true necromancer / 5 progression.

Vid casting Animate dead spell kan han

control only 4 HD worth of undead creatures per caster level.

och hans caster nivå för både cleric och wizard är 8 (7 + 1 från den nekromantiska förmåga förmågan hos den sanna nekromancer, eftersom animera död är en nekromantisk stavning).

betyder det att han kan styra 4 * 8 + 4 * 8 = 64 HD av odödliga om han kastar Animera död både med de kloster- och trollspellarna?

Det ser ut som en hel del för mig, och jag räknar inte ens de som han kunde kontrollera med att bestraffa undeads, som uppenbarligen (text av animerad död)

If you are a cleric, any undead you might command by virtue of your power to command or rebuke undead do not count toward the limit

Jag skulle vara glad om någon kunde rätta mina möjliga övervakningar (eller bevisa mig rätt * galen, ondskan skratt *)!

    
uppsättning Squera 22.05.2014 02:02

1 svar

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Du kommer inte att få separata animera döda kontrollpuljer från cleric och wizard, så du får bara 32 HD, inte 64. Odöd från Rebuke Undead är förutom att detta.

Från Handbok för reviderade handverktyg :

You are not going to play a True Necromancer!

A lot of people love the True Necromancer, even though it’s a completely crippled class. Even a Mystic Theurge is better, and that’s saying quite a bit because that class is a dog with fleas. You’re 5 real caster levels behind the curve. If you just took Leadership, and then your cohort took Leadership, both of the cohorts would have better casting than you (being 2 levels behind and 4 levels behind respectively). You can provide the party better and more powerful Necromancy as a single classed Fighter that happens to have Leadership than you would if you were a “True” Necromancer.

Top Ten Reasons True Necromancers Are Bad

  • At 14th level, you are five caster levels behind in both classes, so if the party Fighter took Leadership, and his cohort got Leadership, he’d actually be bringing more Necromancy to the table than you. As a fighter.

  • You have to take the Death Domain as a Necromancer Cleric, which is a waste of a Domain Slot when you are trying to be good at Necromancy.

  • In the early levels, you postpone your access to Animate Dead by 4 levels.

  • At 8th level a True Necromancer can create, but not control Ghouls. A Cleric at that level can control but not create Ghouls. Guess which is better? At 11th level, the True Necromancer gets the ability to control Ghouls, and the Cleric gets the ability to create them, so there’s no point at which this is advantageous.

  • The only unique ability of the True Necromancer class is unimpressive. Desecrate is a great spell, but it’s also a second level spell.

  • True Necromancers eventually get a bonus to Rebuking – at 17th level they have a +1 bonus to their Rebuking level. But at 7th level they have a 3 level penalty to their Rebuking level. So at low levels when rebuking is good they can’t use it, and at high levels when Rebuking doesn’t matter they don’t care.

  • True Necromancers are always going to have underwhelming Save DCs. Between MAD and the fact that they are often forced to use spells that are 3 spell levels lower than what the single-classed casters can use, they’re going to be out enough Save DC that it shows. A lot.

  • As a True Necromancer you have all the disadvantages of both a Cleric (the gods can take away all your spellcasting at any time), and a Wizard (you have Arcane Spell Failure, preventing you from wearing good armor). Also, your BAB and HPs stink when compared to a Cleric.

  • Control pools from Animate Dead actually don’t accumulate between your two classes. It’ right in the spell, if you cast the spell it considers all undead you control from all castings of Animate Dead, not just your Arcane or just your Divine castings of the spell. Some people say differently, and some even quote CustServ, but when was the last time you won an argument with your DM using the line "some guy on a board said that CustServ told him....."?

  • There is almost no synergy between Cleric and Wizard Necromancy. Any synergy you desperately want to find could be replicated by just taking the Apprentice feat at first level and having some Use Magic Device. Get yourself a couple of Wizard Scrolls or something. It’s a better buy than setting 5 caster levels on fire. Smart cookies can even get the right spell effects off monsters for free, no less.

  • Även om du argumenterar för att poolerna är separata och du får 64 HD-värde, gör förlusten av Caster Level det en tvätt jämfört med att du bara tar Deathbound Domain (vilket ger 50% mer snarare än 100% mer, men till mycket lägre kostnad).

    Jag rekommenderar starkt antingen prästerskap eller fruktansvärd nekromancer för att få en stor armé av odödliga minioner. Trollkarlar kan också arbeta De kommer inte att vara lika bra som prästkärra eller rädda nekromancer för detta ändamål, men de kommer att bli mycket bättre än äkta nekromancers.

        
    svaret ges 22.05.2014 02:36