Fråga om brittiska visum för visum för visumvisare

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Jag är en brittisk medborgare och jag har min fiance som bor i Indien. Han ansökte nyligen om ett visum för äktenskapsbesök, men tyvärr, även om vi var säkra på att det skulle godkännas - det vägrades. Vi hyrde också en advokat för vårt fall, och han tar oss igenom ansökan en gång till. Vi planerar att gifta oss här i Storbritannien, men vi vill inte bo här. Från och med än är vi osäkra var vi ska bo. men vi har sagt i vår ansökan att vi skulle återvända till Indien för att leva. Frågan om medborgarskap är annorlunda, men det verkar som om vi har problem som övertygar regeringen om att min fiance kommer att återvända till Indien.

Han är inskriven i en 2-årig masterexamen som slutar i maj. Vi är nu drivna för att skicka in ansökan igen så att han kan komma över, spendera 2 månader här och lämna sedan i slutet av april, då han har sina sista tentamina i maj. Dessutom äger han en motorcykel och har en stor familj - men inga anhöriga. En annan punkt var finansiering - min fästman betalade över 55.000 INR mot resan och lånade 10.000 INR från sin far - men de tänkte sig här.

Avslagspunkterna är som följer -

You have applied for a visit visa to visit the UK for a period of 3 months to marry your fiance, Miss C L on 6th April 2018.

I acknowledge the supporting documents from your UK sponsor with regards to your accommodation and relationship. I have also considered the info you have provided about your personal and economic circumstances.

You state you are a student and employed as ...at...with a monthly income of 25,000 INR. You state you will finance this visit and that you will have £950 available to you for this purpose and that your father will contribute towards the cost of the trip.

As evidence of your funds you have provided a bank book from IDBI bank pertaining to an account in your name with a closing balance of £166. I note the cost of this trip represents more than 3 times your apparent monthly income and I am not satisfied you have sufficient funds to cover the cost of your trip.

Whilst I acknowledge you ave submitted evidence of your studies and employment, I am minded by the fact that you are dependant on the money being contributed by your father. However, you have not provided documents to confirm your parents personal circumstances in India. It is your responsibility to demonstrate that your personal circumstances in India are such that if granted leave to enter, you will comply with all of the conditions attached to any such leave and that you will leave the UK on completion of the proposed visit. I consider that the documents you have submitted do not demonstrate personal or economic ties to India and I am not satisfied that you genuinely intend a visit on this occasion. I am not satisfied that you are a genuine visitor and will leave the UK at the end of your visit. I have therefore refused your application in accordance with Paragraph 4.2 (a) (b) (c) and (d) of Appendix V of the Immigration Rules.

Vi vill återansöka så snart som möjligt, för samma visum. Hur kan vi stärka denna ansökan mer? Har någon några idéer om ytterligare sociala eller personliga band? Är inte undersökningar på MA-nivå tillräckliga? Skulle det hjälpa om jag kanske bokat en kurs i Indien för att bevisa att vi planerar att resa tillbaka dit tillsammans?

Jag hoppas att någon kan ge oss några nya idéer. Vi älskar varandra och har varit ifrån varandra i 2 månader nu och väntar tålmodigt på vår tid att vara tillsammans igen.

    
uppsättning Caitlin Loughrie 12.02.2018 22:06

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Efter att ha sett min kommentar till den här frågan, @GayotFow delade hans syn på problemet via sin blogg , om vägran av dina förlovade Vigdis Visitor Visa (MVV).

The OP is a British national whose fiance is in India and they want to use an MVV for the fiance to come the UK and get married. This throws up a flag right off the bat…

Background. The MVV was invented in 2005 because Parliament found a no other way to accommodate a specific scenario: A couple where both parties were non-EU nationals want to come to the UK and get married at a destination venue (such as a romantic castle in Scotland) and then leave the UK. The hospitality lobby had successfully argued that without a visa like this the hotel and catering industry would suffer a loss of revenue. So this visa was created and enacted.

British nationals who want to marry a non-EU spouse are meant to use the existing fiance visa rules given in Appendix FM. But these rules have a hefty fee attached to them and therein lies the confusion. People look at the various options and see that a UK fiance visa fee is about GBP 1,500, whereas the fee for an MVV is only about GBP 90. So the MVV is obviously the way to go, right?

Well, no. The fiance visa gives the holder the right to stay in the UK lawfully once the couple are married and then to apply from within the UK for a spouse visa. The holder of a spouse visa can take employment, and receive permanent residence (indefinite leave to remain, or ILR) after 5 years. And then they can apply for British nationality on the next day! The holder of an MVV gets none of those things.

But for some, it’s worth the difference in price to come to the UK, get married, and then use Article 8 (human rights) to remain in the UK. When this happens, the path to ILR is extended to 10 years. Of course the applicant’s credibility is stained, but for lots of people this aspect doesn’t mean very much as they are just starting out in life. I have been saying that it may be worth it for a very small number of cases, but 10 years is an awfully long time to hold out in a perilous immigration status with a new marriage. But if it works, it works, right?

Well, sort of. But if the strategy is to get in cheaply and to use Article 8, then the SVV costs the same and leaves their credibility largely intact, or at least more so than the outright abuse of an MVV.

Anyway, back to topic…

Reading the refusal notice I find myself repeating the mantra that “ECO’s are not idiots”. Here we have two people who want to get married. Option 1 is to send the Brit to India, get married, and return to the UK. Option 2 is to send the Indian to the UK, get married, and (optimistically stated) return to India. Any way you cut it Option 1 is somewhere between GBP 300 – GBP 400 cheaper than Option 2. So what’s the rationale for wanting Option 2? How is it that somebody with GBP 169 in the bank proposes to spend 300 – 400 pounds more to accomplish the same thing? Unless it’s to accomplish something different. Or is the ECO not supposed to notice those things? I suppose there’s an explanation that justifies an irrational plan like that, but they didn’t include it in the application.

Next we come to the point Giorgio raised… they instructed a solicitor, this is great and part of my standing advice for over two decades. So what in heaven’s name are they doing on the net asking random strangers for ideas and advice? eh? EH?

Finally (and perhaps mercifully) we arrive at my final nitpick. In comments, the OP writes…

He would be arriving in March, or the end of February (depending on if the application is approved) and we would leave for India together at the end of April/beginning of May as he has examinations in May

     

Låt oss göra aritmetiken. 7 dagar bostad krävs för att meddela plus 28 - 70 dagar för uppsägningstiden (mer om något är uppe). Det ger oss någonstans mellan 35 till 77 dagar innan äktenskapet kan äga rum. Lägg sedan till 3 - 5 dagar glidning för att boka celebrant. Hans examen i Indien börjar i maj. Resten lämnas som en övning för läsaren.

Bottom line: Som brittisk medborgare är användningen av denna väg missbrukande, vilken en advokat som är bekant i Storbritanniens invandringslagstiftning kommer att känna igen. En andra ansökan i samma kategori kommer sannolikt att ha samma resultat, en vägran och upprepade vägran påverkar honom, inte du. För din framtid tillsammans kan du behöva ompröva dina kortsiktiga planer så att dina långsiktiga mål inte påverkas negativt.

    
svaret ges 13.02.2018 22:05