Okänd funktion på Middle Earth kartan?

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På Christopher Tolkiens karta över Middle-earth har en funktion alltid blivit mitt öga, och jag har aldrig förklarats: Massen mitt i Rhuns hav:

Har det någonsin pratats eller skrivits om? Är det en ö? Är det en stenig outcrop? Ska de vara träd? Sand? Kärr? Vad det än är, verkar det vara mycket avsiktligt.

Jag har också märkt att många fan-made kartor helt och hållet ignorerar den här funktionen.

Vad är den här funktionen mitt i Sea of Rhûn?

    
uppsättning Django Reinhardt 23.12.2014 17:59

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Såvitt jag minns finns det inget namn för det. Det är en namnlös ö.

LotR Wikia säger detsamma:

The sea also contains an unnamed island that is about thirty miles along the southeastern and northwestern coasts and twenty upon the northeastern and southwestern coasts.

Det måste också ha varit trädbevuxen. ( thainsbook ).

Det har förekommit en liknande diskussion om TheTolkienForum . En användare kontaktade Tolkien Society med frågan, och här är svaret:

Hello. Sorry about the delay. A staw poll revealed that in a very early version of the map, the Sea of Rhun had a large island in the middle. (Unfeasibly large, given the scale of the Sea, which is very big.) By the time the map hit publication, this had vanished and the dots appeared.

Those who have looked carefully at the various maps point out that there are similar dotty effects at the Mouths of Sirion and near Balar (Silmarillion), and references to "sands" in the Sil. The dots in the Sea of Rhun (on scale) could quite easily represent a constellation of small islands, but are more likely to mean sands, swamp or sand bars. (Actually small islands would make better geography on that scale.) There appears to be no actual reference to what is going on there.

There is a discussion of this also at TheOneRing.net which adds some details worth having. I don't however understand Quickbeam's reference to CRT "finding later manuscripts etc." as CRT drew up this map in co-operation with JRR while JRR was still alive and well and writing the books - there have AFAIK been no revisions by CRT to these maps on the basis of stuff he found after his father's death, when he started editing the unpublished mss. Indeed, it would be against his whole attitude of respect for his father's decisions to start "editing" LotR material subsequent to publication. I have asked QB what he means, but have not had a reply. As this was some time ago and you are waiting, this is my conclusion!

I would say "be careful of taking any craft with deep draft through these waters. You may get stuck."

Helen

Vilket, TBH, lägger inte till mycket mer än att det inte finns något namn på ön.

Diskussionen Helen referenser kan vara värt att citera för eftertiden:

I’ve been wondering about this for years, and now have found a few bits of evidence in the History of Middle-earth Volume VII that gives us a better clue.

Most all of the maps we see in today’s editions of LOTR come from the hand of Christopher Tolkien; redrafted from his father’s originals. Professor Tolkien altered and added to his maps as his work on the story progressed. His original working map (the "First Map") was a conglomeration of sections and glued bits of paper that he fussed with for many years: "It represents an evolution, rather than a fixed state of the geography." There was a later version called the "1943 map" that Christopher created.

Comparing these two maps, Christopher points out a well-forested island his father drew in the middle of the Sea of Rhûnaer, which would later be called the Sea of Rhûn. "The island in the Sea is coloured green on the First Map, and on the 1943 map is marked as wooded." That’s your island right there, but in later maps it seems to have vanished, replaced with an array of dots.

I don’t know exactly why Christopher changed it, but I suspect that later manuscripts and maps he found showed the removal of the island. Perhaps the discrepancy caused him to leave the dots to indicate what was a "questionable area."

Det verkar vara det tydligaste svaret, om det fortfarande är vagt.

    
svaret ges 23.12.2014 18:24
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Kartan 1954 som inkluderades i den första upplagan av LotR slutfördes i brådska. Christopher Tolkien togs in nästan bokstavligen i sista stund för att producera en enda färglinjekarta för den tryckta upplagan. Inte överraskande fanns det fel och korta nedskärningar i processen för att slutföra kartan. Presentationen av denna ö var en av dessa. Det borde finnas en skogsmark där.

    
svaret ges 15.06.2018 04:59