Då vet vi när Daenerys Targaryen föddes?

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Jag tvivlar på att vi har ett faktiskt födelsedatum men jag är säker på att åtminstone året kan hittas. Det verkar som om Robert Hr Rebellion ägde rum från 282 AC till 283 AC så det betyder att hon föddes någon gång från 282 AC till 284 AC.

Vet någon när Daenerys Targaryen föddes?

    
uppsättning TheLethalCarrot 21.11.2017 12:40

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En sång av is och eld

284 AC

Vi vet att Dany föddes till King Aerys Targaryen II och Queen Rhaella Targaryen, vi vet också att Rhaella skickades till Dragonstone efter Slaget vid Trident och före Sack of King's Landing, så någon gång i 283 AC.

"Rhaegar met Robert on the Trident, and you know what happened there. When the word reached court, Aerys packed the queen off to Dragonstone with Prince Viserys. Princess Elia would have gone as well, but he forbade it. Somehow he had gotten it in his head that Prince Lewyn must have betrayed Rhaegar on the Trident, but he thought he could keep Dorne loyal so long as he kept Elia and Aegon by his side.
A Storm of Swords, Jaime V

Och om det inte är uppenbart av situationen att Rhaella måste ha varit gravid, speglar världen av is och eld det för oss.

Birds flew and couriers raced to bear word of the victory at the Ruby Ford. When the news reached the Red Keep, it was said that Aerys cursed the Dornish, certain that Lewyn had betrayed Rhaegar. He sent his pregnant queen, Rhaella, and his younger son and new heir, Viserys, away to Dragonstone, but Princess Elia was forced to remain in King's Landing with Rhaegar's children as a hostage against Dorne.
The World of Ice and Fire, The Fall of the Dragons: The End

Dany själv nämner att hon föddes "nio månar" efter flygningen till Dragonstone, där hon föddes i slutet av 283 AC eller 284 AC, men det är troligare att det är 284 AC.

She had been born on Dragonstone nine moons after their flight, while a raging summer storm threatened to rip the island fastness apart. They said that storm was terrible. The Targaryen fleet was smashed while it lay at anchor, and huge stone blocks were ripped from the parapets and sent hurtling into the wild waters of the narrow sea. Her mother had died birthing her, and for that her brother Viserys had never forgiven her.
A Game of Thrones, Daenerys I

Eddard Stark nämner vid ett par tillfällen om 14 år efter att ha gått från kung Robert Baratheon som kronas men han säger uttryckligen Danys ålder två gånger och det händer i 298 AC som Vi vet serien börjar i år .

"Whereas Daenerys is a fourteen-year-old girl." Ned knew he was pushing this well past the point of wisdom, yet he could not keep silent. "Robert, I ask you, what did we rise against Aerys Targaryen for, if not to put an end to the murder of children?"
A Game of Thrones, Eddard VIII

Ned had heard enough. "You send hired knives to kill a fourteen-year-old girl and still quibble about honor?" He pushed back his chair and stood. "Do it yourself, Robert. The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword. Look her in the eyes before you kill her. See her tears, hear her last words. You owe her that much at least."
A Game of Thrones, Eddard VIII

Detta lämnar fortfarande båda år som möjligt för Dany att vara född i. Men vi lär oss att Dany finner ut att hon är gravid på hennes 14: e namnsdag.

They were on the far side of the Dothraki sea when Jhiqui brushed the soft swell of Dany's stomach with her fingers and said, "Khaleesi, you are with child."
"I know," Dany told her.
It was her fourteenth name day.
A Game of Thrones, Daenerys III

Hennes graviditet diskuteras i Kings Landing någon gång efter handens turné.

"The whore is pregnant!" The king's fist slammed down on the council table loud as a thunderclap. "I warned you this would happen, Ned. Back in the barrowlands, I warned you, but you did not care to hear it. Well, you'll hear it now. I want them dead, mother and child both, and that fool Viserys as well. Is that plain enough for you? I want them dead."
A Game of Thrones, Eddard VIII

Följande artikel nämner att Hand's Tourney äger rum i 298 AC , även om jag inte " t vet om det här hänvisas någon annanstans. Som vi vet ser serien ut i 298 AC, det skulle innebära att Dany sannolikt blir 14 i 298 AC, vilket ger henne födseln i 284 AC.

Men för något mer konkret Dany nämner hon fortfarande 14 när hon följer kometen.

"We follow the comet," Dany told her khalasar. Once it was said, no word was raised against it. They had been Drogo's people, but they were hers now. The Unburnt, they called her, and Mother of Dragons. Her word was their law.
...
They are not strong, she told herself, so I must be their strength. I must show no fear, no weakness, no doubt. However frightened my heart, when they look upon my face they must see only Drogo's queen. She felt older than her fourteen years. If ever she had truly been a girl, that time was done.
A Clash of Kings, Daenerys I

Följande wikisida hävdar att kometen visas i himlen i 299 AC.

The first time the Red Comet is mentioned to have been seen, occurs after Rickon Stark has turned 4. Thus all POVs where the Red Comet appears can be said to take place in 299 AC with certainty.
Years after Aegon's Conquest/Calculations Events

Observera att Rickon är född år 295 AC och även om jag inte kommer att lägga till citat här, här är sammanfattningen av beräkningen.

Rickon was 3 years old when the direwolves are found and during the welcoming feast at Winterfell. Both events occur in 298 AC, giving the following options:

  • 2 turning 3 in 298 AC, 3 turning 4 in 299 AC, 4 turning 5 in 300 AC, placing his birth in 295 AC

  • 3 turning 4 in 298 AC, 4 turning 5 in 299 AC, 5 turning 6 in 300 AC, placing his birth in 294 AC

Rickon was “near four” when Robb left for war, and he was 4 when the news of Ned's death reached Winterfell. Rickon was still four when Theon Greyjoy attacked Winterfell. After the Sack of Winterfell Rickon is still at 4. In 300 AC, Rickon is still 4 years old. This shows that the only correct option for Rickon is 3 turning 4 in 299 AC, placing his birth in 295 AC.
Years after Aegon's Conquest/Calculations Ages (Continued3)

Eftersom Dany nu har nämnts vara 14 i både 298 AC och 299 AC måste hon ha blivit född i 284 AC.

Game of Thrones

282 AL

Sidnot: Alla år på wikien ges i AL istället för AC. Sedan jag besvarade denna fråga frågade jag om följande förändring . Det visar sig att showen åtagit sig för AL före AC bekräftades av GRRM eftersom AL var den populära årskonventionen av fans.

Hennes födelse anges på hennes wikia-sida och citeras så kort efter Robert's Rebellion . Roberts uppror ägde rum runt 280 AL till 282 AL enligt sidan och så måste hon vara född i 282 AL eller 283 AL. Men det sägs att upproret slutade på Dragonstone i 282 AL och då Dany var född där och flydde före slutet måste hon ha blivit född i 282 AL. Detta placerar också sin ålder som 16 vänder 17 i 298 AL, starten på showen.

Följande westeros.org sida verkar motsäga detta säger följande, fast jag vet inte var den kommer från.

Daenerys has been aged for the show. In the novels, she is 13 when she is first introduced. In Game of Thrones, she is 15 years old. Contacts to give her violet eyes were tried in the pilot, but proved more trouble than they were worth.
Westeros, Daenerys Targaryen

Det verkar som om de födde födelsåret samma som böckerna när de tittade på sina beräkningar. Följande artikel backar upp wikiaen som säger att Dany är 17 i början av showen som förstärker hennes födelse i 282 AL, där den kommer från jag inte vet.

Age in the books: In A Game of Thrones (the first book in George RR Martin’s A Song of Ice and Fire series), Daenerys is around 13 years old.
Age in the TV show: In HBO’s adaptation, it is stated in season one that 17 years have passed since Robert Baratheon’s rebellion – around the time Daenerys was born. It is therefore reasonable to suggest that Daenerys starts the show as a 17 year old. By season six, around five years have passed since the first episode, so we can safely assume that Daenerys is in her early twenties, let’s say, 22 years old. It’s easy to understand why they increased Dany’s age for the show since she had to shoot some pretty uncomfortable and risqué scenes with Khal Drogo from the start of the series.
Game of Thrones ages: just how old are Jon, Sansa, Brienne and Daenerys meant to be?

GRRM har till och med gått på rekord och pratar om varför showen ändrade åldrarna och nämner åldersökningen för showen.

There was a fair amount of explicit sex in the series and some fans of the books were taken aback.
One of the reasons I wanted to do this with HBO is that I wanted to keep the sex. We had some real problems because Dany is only 13 in the books, and that’s based on medieval history. They didn’t have this concept of adolescence or the teenage years. You were a child or you were an adult. And the onset of sexual maturity meant you were an adult. So I reflected that in the books. But then when you go to film it you run into people going crazy about child pornography and there’s actual laws about how you can’t depict a 13 year old having sex even if you have an 18 year old acting the part — it’s illegal in the United Kingdom. So we ended up with a 22 year old portraying an 18 year old, instead of an 18 year old portraying a 13 year old. If we decided to lose the sex we could have kept the original ages. And once you change the age of one character you have to change the ages of all the characters, and change the date of the war [that dethroned the Mad King]. The fact we made all these changes indicates how important we thought sex was.
Entertainment Weekly, A Dance With Dragons Interview

Obs! Han anger sin ålder som 18 i början av showen, men det kan vara en intervjuutskriftstyp, ett misstag eller det ändrats till 17 vid ett senare tillfälle.

    
svaret ges 21.11.2017 12:50
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Googling 'daenerys targaryen birth' tar mig till sidan AWOIAF - Daenerys Targeryen , där det ger datumet som 284 AC . Den hänvisar till en beräkning över på År efter Aegons Conquest / Calculations Ages . Beräkningarna som anges där:

Eddard Stark mentions that Daenerys Targaryen is 14 years old in 298 AC.1 This leaves the following possibilities:

  • 13 turning 14 in 298 AC, placing her birth in 284 AC
  • 14 turning 15 in 298 AC, placing her birth in 283 AC

In addition, it is known that Daenerys learns she is pregnant on her 14th nameday. Daenerys's pregnancy is discussed on two occasions in King's Landing, after the Tourney of the Hand has ended. The Tournament of the Hand of the King occurs at least 6 months into 298 AC, if not more, giving an indication, but not specifying that Daenerys turned 14 in 298 AC.

When Dany is following the comet, she mentions she is still 14 years old. The comet has appeared in the sky in 299 AC (see 298 AC to 299 AC). This means that Daenerys has been mentioned to have been 14 years old in both 298 AC and in 299 AC, eliminating 283 AC as Daenerys's possible birth year, leaving only the option 284 AC.

Daenerys was thus born in 284 AC.

1 Ett spel av troner , kapitel 35

    
svaret ges 21.11.2017 12:49